#10 St Francis of the Rising Star


#6688

When you task risks of cource its going to be down. That stat is useless without perspective. Just like most other stats. The turn overs are punishing but the rewards huge


#6689

I don’t agree with that at all. If you’re taking risky kicks out of the back line you need to make sure you execute them. And his efficiency is down on last year when he was doing the same thing.

I agree that the risks he takes are worth it. I wasn’t criticising him, just saying he’s a little out of touch. Anybody could see that.


#6690

While I think Francis is best suited to a defensive role because he reads the play so well, there are other options for him. He can play forward, and I’ve also seen him go into the middle in the seconds and play like a wrecking ball. Now, he hasn’t got the tank for that full time, and seniors is a step up, but the point being is that he can compete in a number of different roles. As soon as he’s pigeon-holed in just one role - as it now appears to be the case, as a defender - then his spot will be precarious given our wealth of options.

His situation is symptomatic of a lack of imagination and dare in the match committee and game day. Francis is a rare talent - use him.


#6691

Not sure how he’s going to get fitter playing VFL.

The running requirements are far less. Even more so in a strong side where the ball is played mostly up your end of the ground.


#6692

Yeah i think the best thing for match fitness is to play AFL. As long as you’re not too far off, which i don’t think he is.


#6693

I agree.

However, I do feel that the side has been showing improvement week on week. As such, I remain more interested in improving and continuing to win, then getting games into talented players who may improve us in the future.

I also dislike it when the club spend all preseason training someone in a particular role, and then don’t play them in that role. As such, if Francis is penciled in as a defender, and he hasn’t made the side in that position, I am happy to leave him out. Particularly if the midfield and forward line are performing adequately.

As a strong critic of our coaching panel, and selection committee, I can back them in on this one for the time being.


#6694

:+1:


#6695

I understand its a tough backline to crack, but id still be finding a position for him. anywhere. He’s too good not to play


#6696

Nah, his potential is too high not to play him.

If he was too good not to play he would’ve played better than Ambrose or Hurley in the first 3 rounds and held his spot.


#6697

He’d improve his fitness in the VFL if he had a few stints onball every quarter. I’d start him onball and let him drift toward the defensive side, the ‘quarterback’-role. Or the Defensive version of the James Hird position.


#6698

Has to play AFL. I don’t care where, but he has to play. Fwd back, middle doesn’t matter. Himself and Joe are our future big man pillars


#6699

I can’t believe the sooking on here about him not getting a game


#6700

Absolutely when there are much more inferior players being gifted games each week


#6701

Who are these much more inferior players being gifted games of which you speak?


#6702

It’s just a patience thing for supporters. He’s got a long career ahead. If he plays in the VFL for a few short patches in his first 50 games it’s no big deal.


#6703

Bags and Myers for starters.
You shift the magnets around to get Francis in that side.


#6704

You’ve picked on guys playing very specific roles. As such, the question has to be asked, who plays their roles?

With the absence of Smith this week, it does make it difficult to identify who can play that small pressure forward role better than Baguley.

Myers i can’t argue much because i don’t understand why he keeps getting games. However, there must be a reason. I guess it is around structure and size in the contest. If there was anyone that could play that role other than Myers, I’d imagine he wouldn’t be getting a game at all (which is probably your argument). But because he is, I can only imagine that the coaches think there is nobody else that can play that role within the squad.

Summary : The guys you picked aren’t inferior players being gifted games. They are the best players on the list to play the role they are playing.


#6705

So how many guys (including Francis) do you play out of position to accomodate that?
Personally I don’t think Francis is good enough yet to justify that.

I agree that Myers needs to be out of this side sooner rather than later and possibly Bags, bit doing it to justify including Francis in the backline isn’t the answer imo.

And even though Francis has shown glimpses elsewhere I think it’s a bad idea at this stage of his career to go swapping him around when he is clearly so much of a confidence player at this stage and a few bad games out of his natural position could do more harm than good


#6706

Clearly something wrong with our list management that a player of his ability can’t get a game.

He was smashing it at the end of last season and now all of a sudden he’s not good enough?

Maybe we need to stop drafting so many medium size defenders or start playing guys like Redman and Ridley further up the ground.

Francis is not a VFL player.


#6707

The small pressure forward role doesn’t float with me.
Already have Fanta and Walla floating around and you can swing Guelfi up there for stints. I would argue that even Francis himself could play the Bags role better than Bags. You also have Parish lining up in a HF role, get rid of Myers and play Darcy in the guts where he should be and play Francis as a forward. Plenty of options available