#10 St Francis of the Rising Star


#7148

It’s pretty simple for me. Players like Langford and Francis need to perform better than the people they’re competing with for spots and they haven’t been. Although i’d be happy for Langers to come in for Myers this week. But ■■■■ he’s been ordinary when given chances this year.


#7149

I blame Langers development. He looks to have no confidence what so ever.

Last year he was a very attacking player and looked to kick the ball at every opportunity and in particular very adventurous kicks.

This year he is a sideways handball player and that has even been at VFL level.

He’s either very dumb and continually makes the same mistakes or he has been asked to change his role.

I don’t think our club fully understands how to identify a players strengths and then develop a role that suits them. Langers is not a bull and never will be.


#7150

He was great last year. It’s baffling. Whether his development is the problem or not he needs to get it together quickly.

I think the club understands what players best positions are. I just think we have areas of the ground with too much depth and then thin areas that they plug with random players. Maybe bad recruiting. Think it’s time to seriously consider trading out a few guys and either trading talent in or hitting the earlier part of the draft for specific needs.


#7151

The club has a history of blokes who didn’t dominate until well into their careers. Jobe, Winderlich, Wellman… they were all absolute whipping boys in their first few years at the club… they turned out alright.

Even Lucas was a little unco early on.

Lang strikes me as one that we need to persist with… he has the skills.


#7152

I think he should be playing every week.

No arguments from me.

We have plenty of inconsistent experienced players who get games every week.


#7153

Francis certainly hasn’t been given the sorts of opportunities that some other senior players have been given to play. And apart from that, he has been ill and did take time away from footy to deal with those issues which were much more important to get mental/emotionally, physically and spiritually strong again. He has played about ten games fgs.

Last night he was not the only player whose performance was under par half the team could be on that list.


#7154

Jeez.

He seemed to be trying to keep Alir Alir accountable, even acting as a decoy.

When they ended up kicking to him I thought he looked ok.

The best bit was he was one of only 2-3 players that didn’t boot the fk out of it going into 50. The other was Connor, and maybe Redman.


#7155

Some of you people do realise their is an opposition out there? Other clubs are aware of Francis intercept marking ability and lack of tank. His direct opponent is instructed to run him ragged and to do their best to keep him away from aerial contests that he can impact.

Compared to most other teams both our key forwards and key defenders do very little blocking/screening at marking contests inside 50. It is either poor coaching or selfish players. Probably a bit off both. Need to get an A grade basketball coach down to the club to coach screening. They have been doing it in the NBA/NBL for decades and it is a recognised skill. Coach it and train it, and value it as a playing group. We so obviously don’t at the moment. Check out the first goal to the Swans in the last quarter to MCCartin and watch what Reid did in the marking contest.


#7156

We have no tricks, what you see is what you get, its easy to figure it out.


#7157

He’s played what 12 games of football? FFS he’s still a kid. You’ll get more appreciation if you direct your your remarks to players that have been on the list for a few years and shown next to nothing. You know who they are, but it’s certainly not a kid who has more natural talent than anyone his size on the list. If he was played consistently and allowed to develop you’d see what us “Francis Lovers” are talking about.

Got to hand it Blitz, especially some of the people that have been posting shitt in here for years now, just like you. If you really think a kid that has played 12 games of football is useless then you know SFA about football.


#7158

He’s a talent and I see no room currently for him down back.
He’s not a KP forward ie the go to player, but he would be much better as the 6th forward as he’d be very hard to match up on. We need to get Joe, Fanta, Tippa & Brown fit and firing so that Ridley or Francis can slot into a well functioning system without being the main event.


#7159

He is an awesome talent, in the last two games he has got a couple of good hbs away in traffic to set up goals.

His presence in a marking contest can be enormous when he reads it correctly. He is capable of bringing down some huge grabs, the sort of thing that has the fans rising off their seat, and that can lift a team. He will get better and better.

He hasn’t trained as a forward, so it will take some time, but to cast him off would be as stupid as the owners of Takeover Target who sold him for $1400 and watched him make millions after.

He needs confidence.

Look at Tom Lynch … pretty slow not much of a tank and arguably as useless as Francis, but he has 140 games and 5 or 6 more years under his belt, and well is considered pretty good.

This guy isn’t the problem, I think most of our problem is a lack of prescient execution when needed. Great players in tennis make difficult and great shots consistently. I think we are building to something special and every now and then you see it.

I think though, the coaching is a problem, Woosha has taken us here, but I really don’t think he is capable of taking us beyond.

He lacks imagination, energy and vision and is simply too controlling and is holding us back. Sometime I think I see fear in our players eyes, and it is not of the opposition.

His arrogance at press conferences is an embarrassment as well.


#7160

Worsfold said he’s a great talent with his best position being behind the ball, but working towards the occasional swing man role.


#7161

So how many times has Francis actually ever been “dropped”
I’d say twice maybe? Once this year and once after his first game or two?

And who keeps saying he’s only played 8-9 games? He’s played 18 (i know it doesnt change the point)


#7162

Twice that I can think of.

He’s been tried in a variety of positions though and not having the luxury of gaining confidence and experience in a role.

At the end of last year he was excellent down back and now he’s first dropped and then forward.

I would imagine he’s a little confused as to where he stands right now.


#7163

I do get your point but surely the average footballer could still put in a reasonably committed effort?
I am one to complain about our coaches limiting some guys ability to perform at their best due to the role or position they are played in but they still put in 100% (Parish for example)
Imagine a guy like Matty Dea, put him anywhere on the ground and he would kill himself for the team


#7164

Matty Dea is older though.

My biggest concern with Langers and Francis is how much they have been talked up by the club. Langers in particular gets talked up every preseason. It’s a lot of pressure for a young kid only to be dropped after one or two bad performances.

I have real concerns about our development. The kids have talent but only a handful have shown that they are more than just potential.

These are guys that you need to step up to make you a contender. I personally think we should throw them in the deep end and let them sink or swim.


#7165

The fact that he is in his fourth season, and his fitness is still nowhere near good enough, is worrying to me. If he still hasn’t signed a contract by the middle of the season, I would be watching this space.


#7166

Totally agree re the deep end, I think our development issue has a bit to do with our nice guy drafting policy

We don’t seem to have drafted to many players with any mongrel in them for a long time


#7167

It’d be worrying for him

If can’t lift fitness/workrate will perennially be behind not just other listed players at EFC but also at other clubs

Talent only gets you so far

Doedee came 2nd in Rising Star IIRC and will be straight back into Crows 3rd tall spot post his injury. And he’s not taking Laird or Smith’s HBF spot.

Port i’m not following as closely this year but Hinkley has in past had them as a super hard running side. No chance of HBF. 3rd tall perhaps but Ryan Burton whose another who came 2nd in Rising star taken that role.