#12 Mark Baguley

He played 93% game last night, second highest for us. Guelfi played only 70 %, second lowest. Despite that he had significantly more impact than bags.

I love bags but I think we can get more out of rotating more heavily through that position. All of guelfi, Smith, mcgrath, Zaha, tippa and Fanta can roll through wing, on ball, half forward, small forward, defensive forward. I don’t really see the utility in playing a defensive forward specialist. Guelfi, Smith and McGrath could all lock down on a particular rebounding defender if required.

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Cringeworthy?

Your flip flopping every two minutes is cringeworthy!

You would have half the side out each week if you could.

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wob and KM talking about cringeworthy…

someone had to point this out.

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Ironic it was you then :joy:

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He deserves it, if everyone played with his heart and and intensity we’d be unstoppable. One of my fave players of the last few years and let’s hope he can contribute whether it be in the ones or seconds

Does he actually tag the opposiiton half back?

To me he’s an obvious out this week, along with Ham, given the players coming back, but will be surprised if he’s dropped.

You can’t ever doubt his endeavour but he’s playing a game of ever diminishing returns and I’m certain we can do better - and we can certainly do without his indiscriminate acts. This must be his final year, but looking ahead - right now - I think Guelfi/Smith is a better option.

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Why make it personal? I wasn’t directly talking to you. And yeah, it is cringeworthy people defending that game. It sucked. Lets be real

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It’s hard to know what is personal and what’s not on here.

I cop it left right and centre most of the time just for having a different opinion to others.

When you give away more free kicks than the kicks you have in a game, you are not really contributing. l love Bags, but he had a poor game by any measure and was ineffective. Some of those frees were way too obvious and unnecessary. An obvious out for ANZAC day.

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define what returns is in this context ?
is it purely stats ?
i know people like to run with that, and it’s part of the picture.
but if he runs around and sticks to his part in the zone, if he is constantly running to put on pressure without getting stats, then is he not doing his role ?

on yesterdays game, sure if he continued to give away silly frees, then yes his spot should be up for discussion.
If he is playing his role without getting stats to show for it ( and we can only go with he continues to get picked so he must be doing what’s asked of him) surely then he stays in.

but you also have to take into account, does he do more defensive unrewarded things (not just tackles) that allow guys like raz and tippa to focus more on their offensive weaponry. i know both those 2 got more tackles than bags, but does he do more of the defensive running side to cover for them, would be interesting to find out.

You’re right, it’s more than about stats, it’s about creating space and opportunities as well. And a perfect example of that yesterday was when Guelfi with an act of desperation slid in and trapped the ball in the last quarter leading directly to a goal. No stat for that, but great work - and also an example of why Guelfi would be a good alternative option because he plays selflessly.

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Not purely based on yesterday but I think he might be forced out if not this week but within the month. He’s not doing much wrong but not doing much right. I think we could do with more talent and expect the commitment of the role from someone else. Someone like Guelfi, Smith or McGrath fight just as hard to not lose a contest and have more upside once they win the contest.

Based on today’s game. Laverde could play that deep role and provide a much better physical and attacking threat while bringing the defensive aspects.

Now I think Lav is behind about 4-5 others at the moment. But he could definitely fill the role for those who like to talk about structure and all these magical excuses as to why you persist with an underperformer.

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I’ve made a number of posts supporting Bags continued inclusion as nobody could play his role better.

However, the time may have come. His performance on the weekend was underwhelming.

If Begley or Mosquito were ready I am sure they would be elevated. But they are not.

Laverde, in my view is a different type. That argument aside, he also is not ready.

As such, the question is whether to give Guelfi an opportunity in the small forward role. As he is some chance of being pushed out of the midfield rotation this week, is it better for him to play AFL forward, or to play VFL in the midfield and continue his development.

For me, the answer is to give him a run in the forward role to see if he can provide a stronger option than Baguley.

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While I wouldn’t be dropping Baguley this week, I do like the Guelfi defensive forward idea. Was originally drafted on the back of a year where he kicked a heap of goals as a small forward.

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Nah, you cop it mainly for being overly repetitive. Just a friendly tip.

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There is no doubt he is struggling. I’m happy to back him in for Anzac Day and give him one more chance to turn things around. For a few reasons :

He is great at the little things, shepherds, tackles,pressure etc

He seems to have a great understanding with the other forwards, knowing where they will be etc

The guy does a massive amount of work off the ball to give an option to the kicker

He is a legit tough nut

There is no like for like replacement in the 2s. Closest at this stage is Lav, and I’m not entirely sure Bags role would suit a guy like Laverde

He is a favourite of mine. I’m backing him in to perform on Anzac Day

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Gets unfairly maligned on here imo does the teams things and that’s all you can ask.

Overly repetitive?

Lol rich coming from you!

You would award yourself humanitarian of the year if you could.

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