2021 BBFFL#2 Discussion

Sorry to see you go CBH.

You were a great coach that added a lot to the competition and you will be missed.

16 coach league is certainly worth consideration and like all others hopefully will, i will give my feedback after i’ve had a think about it.

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They learn so quickly…

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Yeah, all the best CBH, been great coaching against you!

Re the 16 teams. First off I would look to try and fill the 2 vacancies and keep it an 18 team comp. if we don’t get sufficient interest then the alternative is to condense down to 16 teams and as proposed a mini draft of sorts to allocate out the players from those 2 teams that would be disbanded. Would that mean list sizes (and possibly keeper numbers) would expand?

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I definitely have one person who expressed interest in joining during the season. So finding one other shouldn’t be too much of a stretch

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My son would be keen to join if there was a spot available.

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Very sad to see you go CBH! All the best mate!

Would have to think about a 16 man comp, would we just draft from those 2 teams in a mini draft? I think new coaches should have a proven Blitz track record. More interaction = better comp. CBH’s draft write ups will be sorely missed.

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Good chunk of the important position decisions here:

Pretty happy both Taranto and Dunkley have managed to grab FWD status

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Farewell CBH. You were the wind beneath my wings. Feel free to join me as an assistant coach of the Bix where we can be mediocre forever together

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Some interesting calls in there. Not sure I agree with a few, but there’s always some dispute with CD’s decisions.

Both Horne-Francis and Daicos being mids only might be of interest to those with early picks in the draft.

And I have to laugh at the list of key players for Geelong. Those five must have a combined age of 150+ years, and they haven’t even listed Selwood! Lol, how ancient is that playing list!? And as an offshoot of that, how did CD decide that Jordan Clarke is a mid-only ?

Anyway, it’s nice that it’s starting to fire up again. We’ll start making some list decisions in a few weeks. Still inclined to break up the squad, rebuild it and hopefully aid some sides that didn’t make finals. But I’ll need to know if we’re sticking with 18 clubs before anything else can happen.

And if we do go to 16, I’d be inclined to drop those playing lists straight into the normal draft. Could be an interesting first round or two with established players and new draftees mixed in.

While i agree it would make the first round more interesting i think it would be better to have those players in a separate draft based on ladder position with no trading for ladder position shifts allowed.
That way the best players will go to the teams that need them, not to the strongest teams.

I don’t really feel strongly one way or the other about how many coaches we have but probably leaning more towards 16.

Some of those positional changes are laughable but you can say that most years i guess.

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Happy with either decision re keeping 18 teams or feasting on the carcasses with 16 teams. Agree with CB and DtD that I think it should be done via a separate mini draft with no pick trading if we were to condense though.

Poses an interesting question about list or keeper sizes, but if the intent of the consolidation is to improve the free agent pool then we’d be better off holding at 30 for list sizes and probably 20 for keepers, although think there could be more scope for an increase on keepers, albeit by only one or two rather than a significant number.

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Not sure if it’s possible to go beyond 32 players on the lists anyway ? 30 + 2 vacant for LTI. Maybe Red can change those parameters though.

I’ve thought about it a bit more and I think I’d be leaning towards 16 teams, and the draft held via a separate mini draft. Each team has 2 picks in reverse ladder order (if they choose not to pass) would be my preference. That way the worst teams would be guaranteed to get the better players and improve their sides and with an improved free agency pool it should hopefully improve competition competitiveness going forwards. I think a big issue is always the bottom coaches spending years down the bottom and eventually losing interest and effort. I’d also be in favour of keeping at 20 keepers for now and list sizes of 30.

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Full list of position changes for next season in the table below. There will likely be another handful of changes that the UF team make on top of the champion data positions, but this will be the vast majority. UF only ever add a position.

Position Change table
Name Team 2022 Position 2021Position
Jack Ziebell Kangaroos B B,F
Aaron Hall Kangaroos B B,F
Dyson Heppell Bombers B B,C
Bailey Dale Bulldogs B B,F
Nick Hind Bombers B B,F
Harry Perryman Giants B B,C
Jarman Impey Hawks B B,F
Jack Sinclair Saints B B,C
Dan Houston Power B B,C
Zac Williams Blues B B,C
Brodie Smith Crows B B,C
Mark Blicavs Cats B B,C
Liam Baker Tigers B B,C
Tom Atkins Cats B B,F
Liam Duggan Eagles B B,C
Taylor Duryea Bulldogs B B,F
Bradley Hill Saints B C
Tom McCartin Swans B B,F
James Aish Dockers B B,C
Sydney Stack Tigers B C,F
Jayden Laverde Bombers B B,F
Jack Buckley Giants B B,C
Tom Cutler Bombers B C
Nick Blakey Swans B C,F
Darcy Tucker Dockers B B,C
James Stewart Bombers B B,F
Zach Guthrie Cats B B,C
James Madden Lions B B,F
Adam Tomlinson Demons B B,C
Jayden Hunt Demons B B,F
Jy Farrar Suns B B,F
Harrison Petty Demons B B,F
Braeden Campbell Swans B C,F
Atu Bosenavulagi Kangaroos B B,F
Sean Lemmens Suns B B,F
Callum Ah Chee Lions B B,F
Chayce Jones Crows B B,C
Kayne Turner Kangaroos B C,F
Jake Bowey Demons B C,F
Ed Richards Bulldogs B C,F
Trey Ruscoe Magpies B F
James Peatling Giants B B,C
Leo Connolly Saints B B,C
Thomas Wilson Magpies B F
Nathan Kreuger Magpies B F
Mitch Hinge Crows B C
Fischer McAsey Crows B B,F
Brodie Kemp Blues B C
Joshua Worrell Crows B B,F
Matthew Allison Saints B F
Isaac Chugg Magpies B B,F
Carter Michael Lions B C
Bigoa Nyuon Tigers B B,R
Barry O’Connor Swans B B,F
Lachie Whitfield Giants B,C B
Jack Lukosius Suns B,C B
Lachlan Ash Giants B,C B
Justin McInerney Swans B,C C
Lachlan Bramble Hawks B,C C
Hunter Clark Saints B,C B
Riley Bonner Power B,C B
Ryan Clarke Swans B,C C
Ryan Angwin Giants B,C C
Nathan O’Driscoll Dockers B,C C
Will Shaw Giants B,C B
Patrick Walker Kangaroos B,C B
Tim O’Brien Bulldogs B,F F
Daniel Rioli Tigers B,F F
Josh Schache Bulldogs B,F F
Keidean Coleman Lions B,F F
Ben Long Saints B,F B
Ben Davis Crows B,F F
Callum M. Brown Giants B,F B
Sam De Koning Cats B,F B
Will Kelly Magpies B,F F
Matt McGuinness Kangaroos B,F B
Lewis Young Blues B,R B
Majak Daw Demons B,R F
Rory Laird Crows C B,C
Callum Mills Swans C B,C
Dayne Zorko Lions C C,F
Patrick Dangerfield Cats C C,F
Isaac Smith Cats C C,F
Lachie Hunter Bulldogs C C,F
James Harmes Demons C B,C
Kyle Langford Bombers C C,F
Matthew Kennedy Blues C C,F
Daniel Howe Hawks C B,C
Harry Schoenberg Crows C C,F
Tom Phillips Hawks C C,F
Will Hoskin-Elliott Magpies C C,F
Chad Warner Swans C C,F
Luke McDonald Kangaroos C B
Jack Newnes Blues C C,F
Lachlan Sholl Crows C B,C
Adam Kennedy Giants C B,C
Daniel McKenzie Saints C B
Deven Robertson Lions C C,F
Jordan Clark Dockers C B,C
Rhys Mathieson Lions C C,F
Miles Bergman Power C B,F
Roarke Smith Bulldogs C C,F
Caleb Poulter Magpies C C,F
Jarrod Brander Giants C C,F
Matt Guelfi Bombers C B,C
Nikolas Cox Bombers C B,F
Paddy Dow Blues C C,F
Sam Durham Bombers C B,C
Cam Ellis-Yolmen Lions C C,F
Jye Caldwell Bombers C C,F
Jaxon Prior Lions C B,C
Nathan Murphy Magpies C B
Jarryn Geary Saints C B
Brayden Cook Crows C C,F
Finlay Macrae Magpies C C,F
Harry Sharp Lions C B,C
Jackson Hately Crows C B,C
Louis Butler Bulldogs C B
Fraser Rosman Demons C C,F
Nick Stevens Cats C B
Mitch Duncan Cats C,F C
Tim Taranto Giants C,F C
Jake Stringer Bombers C,F F
Chad Wingard Hawks C,F F
Adam Treloar Bulldogs C,F C
Jordan De Goey Magpies C,F F
Jack Graham Tigers C,F C
Jed Anderson Kangaroos C,F C
Lachie Weller Suns C,F C
Tom Powell Kangaroos C,F C
Harry Morrison Hawks C,F B,C
Matt De Boer Giants C,F C
Conor Nash Hawks C,F F
Jade Gresham Saints C,F C
Ryan Byrnes Saints C,F C
Tom Sparrow Demons C,F C
Brayden Ham Bombers C,F C
Stephen Coniglio Giants C,F C
Will Phillips Kangaroos C,F C
David Cuningham Blues C,F F
Jake Riccardi Giants C,F F
Charlie Lazzaro Kangaroos C,F C
Thomson Dow Tigers C,F C
Lewis Taylor Swans C,F F
Conor Stone Giants C,F F
Finn Maginness Hawks C,F C
Isiah Winder Eagles C,F B,C
Luke Pedlar Crows C,F C
Jed McEntee Power C,F C
Tom Hird Bombers C,F C
Bailey Laurie Demons C,F B,F
Connor McFadyen Lions C,F F
Taj Schofield Power C,F C
Shaun Higgins Cats F C,F
Jamie Elliott Magpies F C,F
Darcy Cameron Magpies F R,F
Errol Gulden Swans F C,F
Kane Lambert Tigers F C,F
Rory Lobb Dockers F R,F
Devon Smith Bombers F C,F
Michael Walters Dockers F C,F
Oscar Allen Eagles F R,F
Josh Battle Saints F C,F
Orazio Fantasia Power F B,F
Riley Thilthorpe Crows F R,F
Jason Johannisen Bulldogs F B,F
Matthew Parker Tigers F C,F
Joel Amartey Swans F R,F
Bailey Scott Kangaroos F C,F
Jacob Koschitzke Hawks F B,F
Trent Bianco Magpies F B,C
Anthony Scott Bulldogs F C,F
Archie Perkins Bombers F C,F
Levi Casboult Suns F R,F
Riley Garcia Bulldogs F C
Nakia Cockatoo Lions F C,F
Tanner Bruhn Giants F C
Thomas Fullarton Lions F R,F
Laitham Vandermeer Bulldogs F C,F
Lachlan McNeil Bulldogs F C,F
Sam Berry Crows F C,F
Connor West Eagles F C
Josh Treacy Dockers F R,F
Tyler Brockman Hawks F C,F
Josh Honey Blues F C,F
Oscar McDonald Blues F B
Sam Mayes Power F B
Jack Ginnivan Magpies F C,F
Corey Durdin Blues F C,F
Joel Jeffrey Suns F B
Lachlan Gollant Crows F B,C
Dylan Williams Power F C,F
Phoenix Spicer Kangaroos F C,F
Shannon Neale Cats F R,F
Tariek Newchurch Crows F C,F
Jack Saunders Hawks F C,F
Henry Smith Lions F R
Rowan Marshall Saints R R,F
Patrick Ryder Saints R R,F
Mabior Chol Suns R R,F
Tom De Koning Blues R R,F
Kieren Briggs Giants R B,F
Kieran Strachan Crows R R,F
Max Lynch Hawks R R,F
Ben McEvoy Hawks R,F B,R
Callum Sinclair Swans R,F R
Christopher Burgess Suns R,F B,F
Samson Ryan Tigers R,F R
Max Heath Saints R,F R
Cian McBride Bombers R,F B
Patrick Murtagh Suns R,F F
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New year and new decisions to be had.

Still a lot of coaches haven’t given their input or final decision on a 16 man comp. I’ve decided i think 16 coaches has more benefits so it’s a yes from me.

Maybe now would also be a good time for issues or suggestions that could be discussed and possibly implemented for the upcoming season.

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I suspect that Red is already chasing 17th and 18th coaches, and may already have a couple . Absolutely no knowledge on my part , though. Just a guess.

I get a distinct feeling that Covid may impact us more (in terms of FF) in 2022 than it did in 20/21. Maybe Omicron blows through so quickly that it comes and goes before the season commences, but if the cricket is any hint then expect to lose lots of players for a few weeks during the year. I’m not sure there’s a solution to that, unless we just adopt an “average” allowance for any players officially missing due to Covid , as per bye weeks.

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Yup. It’s going to be a mess for the admin to manage when games are delayed and players not available.

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I think the season will be a lot more normal than most are expecting. :slightly_smiling_face:

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I was talking to someone from the AFLPA last week. Without saying the exact words I think the AFL are working on avoiding players missing games even if they have Covid - unless they physically can’t play.

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I have been a bit slack on this one. However we have at least one strong candidate with a few others I need to contact.