#33 Jayden Lav - till 2020


#4704
  • Stewart can give us a chop out in the ruck if need be.

#4705

Can he? Like when?


#4706

Like when got 5 hit outs for the the season last year.

He’s got the worst rucking technique for someone of his size that ive ever seen.


#4707

He could be pushed off the ball by most players on our list.


#4708

For mine the second ruck is irrelevant. Joel has proven the role very well and Stewart is just going to have to toil away when he’s required.

No way do we go back to two dedicated rucks obviously and that only leaves Smack who is a less effective forward than Stewart.

The inroads need to be made from first ruck where I thought we were very poor last year.

If Belly can’t lift this season then I would be playing Draper from 2019 onwards. Hopefully he is physically developed enough by then.


#4709

It’s all about perceived attitude. Langford looks like he’s doing a class presentation worth 2% of you’re grade.


#4710

Like when the ball is close by and there is no ruck around…thats a “Chop Out”, would you prefer Laverde to go up or him ?


#4711

Stewart has him well covered atm.

In fact, by the end of last year, it was actually Laverde V Begley, and Lav wasn’t winning that one either.


#4712

The discussion wasn’t about Stewart’s prowess in the ruck, it was a comparison between Lav & Stewart and who is a better option.
Do you have Stewart in your best 22 or Lav or both ?


#4713

I’ll admit a large part of what I see in Laverde is from his pre-AFL days.
He’s also a friend of my son, so I’m a little biased.


#4714

There wouldn’t be much between them. Laverde is a much better body player and shows a lot more intent and aggressiveness in contested situations. Stewart may be tall, but he’s really a link man who gets into space through work rate. He regularly gets out-bodied by smaller opponents.


#4715

Every time Lav played seniors, … (up until last year when he came in after blistering 2’s form,… then sort of went Deer in the H/lights like…), … he showed real brilliant stuff.

I remember when he played his 1st handful of games before injury, he didn’t miss a goal in about 10 shots, … then I said, …a DJR ish …“He doesn’t miss!!”, … after which he promptly started missing. but until then he looked fantastic, & destined to be the next big thing.

I’m not sure what happened when he got back in the ones last year, … but after such fantastic reserves form for 2 weeks, … had to assume he was learning a new role, & was a bit like a Duck out of water.

I reckon he’s got plenty, … and now he’s more mature of mind & body, … we’re going to see it.

I’ve said it before,… but I reckon Lav & Lang will be our new ((size upgraded for modern footy) Mercuri/Misiti like Mid/HFF combo.


#4716

Dons lose big man - essendonfc.com.au - Essendon Football Club
m.essendonfc.com.au › news › dons-lose…
12 Mar. 2017 · It is likely forward-ruck Shaun McKernan will be forced to fill the vacant ruck position with James Stewart and Patrick Ambrose potential back-ups. With Tom Bellchambers on the recovery trail


#4717

Stewart had Laverde covered for contested possessions as well as contested marks.

Stewart’s contested game is far better than given credit for. If the ball was in dispute at ground level I would back Stewart in.

His marking is a work in progress but I saw real improvement throughout the year.


#4718

FFS, … that’s near InstaBan worthy. My heart was truly in my mouth for a second.

Don’t do shitt like that!

Tells me how vital TBell is to our team, and how much I hope Draper et al are coming along.


#4719

Yea its scraping the barrel.


#4720

Agree. Also Lav is easy to knock over when bending over. Compare with Stringer, who has incredible core strength. Having said that, we are comparing Adonis with a Gorilla.


#4721

Whats your thoughts on the matter Ivan?


#4722

they both have attributes which add to the team and i suspect they can both play a very similar role as a 3rd tall/medium forward come midfielder.

they both have areas of their game they need to enhance and if they were able to do so and harness their full potential they could make it difficult for the other.

adding stringer to the team also squeezes both these guys a little.

Laverde needs to stay in the game more, stay fit and improve his midfield craft and work below his needs.

stewart needs to get his hands stronger in the marking contest, hold his position better and develop his ruckwork.

stewart has the runs on the board obviously but it isn’t beyond laverde to demand a spot. i think both can contribute in the forward line but not at the same time and i think ultimately it will be a question of who can contribute more in other areas of the ground. An in form laverde who is wracking up numbers and goals in the twos will have stewart very nervous and neither would want to put in a quiet JLT.

i wouldn’t have even considered this a debate until some recent training reports pushed Lav’s name up.


#4723

My two cents.

Stewart’s value is inflated currently for mine. I reckon there is a bit of the ‘shiny new toy’ effect going on with him and I think his flashy finishes and regular involvement in highlight reels is also a contributing factor.

Laverde as a player - I still really like. This is not based on exposed form, it is simply my read on footballers and I rate him as a player. I don’t think he was ‘right’ fitness-wise at all when he came back last year - and his patchy at best output has really been used to define him and reinforce perceptions of a player who lacks impact and drifts out of games for too long. I simply don’t think we’ve seen anything like what he could produce when fit and in form. I also think he looks like a confidence player who could absolutely take-off given continuity in his footy.

I reckon we have a lot to look forward to with Laverde - I think he has potential as a midfielder which I think will see him better placed to retain a place in the 22, unlike Stewart who I agree will be placed under pressure from both Stringer and potentially Smith, Langford and other forward-midfield rotations.

I’m not writing Stewart off, nor do I think he cannot play - but I need further convincing and I wouldn’t be surprised if his market value drops this year in the eyes of supporters as the shine wears off.