#34 Jake Long - Like his career, this thread just keeps going!


#1885

Laconic?


#1886

Agains Pies he had 11 kicks, 4 handballs, 4 hand ball receives, 6 tackles, 5 marks, 2 frees, 1 free against.
I remember he got 1 free for holding the ball.

15 Disposals…9 of which were given to him…so in his role, he is a bit reliant in his team giving him the ball which is why he can go missing. Also if we choose to play through the corridor over playing the wings would be detrimental.

He was rated 6th Best against richmond, i havent watched replay of that game yet.
1 Ridley
2 Heppell
3 Stewart
4 Mutch
5 Hartley
6 Long


#1887

Surely he had 2 frees against v Collingwood…2 HTB’s.


#1888

Thanks, but not quite what I was asking.

I guess the example is that all year we’ve had many questions about VFL development for Langford and Francis and Laverde and Stewart and others, and at some point later it’s been acknowledged that there were specific, clear development goals that had been set for these players.

What we don’t know with Long is what those goals are for him to try and grow him into a better, more rounded, AFL ready footballer. Without knowing those (which it’s fair enough that we wouldn’t know), then it’s more difficult to judge whether (a) the player is developing, and (b) whether the club is happy with his development trajectory.


#1889

He definitely had a few VFL games earlier in the year where he touched it more, and I at least thought “YES, he can make it!”. But the games I’ve seen in the second half of the year have been him at his most inconsistent, or generally going missing. I think the finals have summed it up. Was dominant and pivotal in the first quarter against Collingwood, then went missing. And against Richmond had some important touches throughout the day but just wasn’t present enough across the game.


#1890

If he had his Mums last name people would look him differently, he should change it to that.

Welcome to the club Jake Wanganeen.

:flushed:


#1891

The issue with his Collingwood game is I suspect he got 7-8 of those disposals in the first quarter when he was one of our best players, and absolutely critical. I think he would have had 3 goal assists in that quarter as well.

But then he had a similar number of touches for the rest of the game.

I’m not sure how he could be rated 6th best against Richmond and Hind not even make the list.


#1892

I don’t think anyone is rating him against his name or his background. And frankly, at this stage who his parents are shouldn’t matter at all. Its whether he’s shown enough to think he’ll make an AFL career, and right now there are a lot of doubts about that based on his (not his family’s) performances in the VFL.


#1893

We don’t know what either of their roles were, for all we know Jake may have locked down his man and the coaches were happy with his role


#1894

Your right. He has improved certain aspects of his game, namely his decision making he no longer bites off more than he can chew, unfortunately he hasn’t developed that ability to assert himself on games consistently.

I still think he should have been played ahead of colyer in the last few games this season.


#1895

I don’t know why you keep saying this.
If he had a different surname he’d have been delisted last year.
He’s had four years for five games.
He’ll be 23 before the start of next season.

He had a crack.
He’s a pretty good VFL player.


#1896

Jakes first quarter against pies was good. and i thought he had plenty of it, but he wasnt in the top 3 possesion getters at quater time for us.

Maybe Pies coach told his player to play tighter on long after the first quarter. And then due to that it was hard for him to get hands on the ball.

His kicking efficiency was top notch in that first qtr too.

It just feels like we have come so far it would be a shame to cut him, when he is potentially playing his best footy. If he could get it 20 times a game he would have a good influence on the result.

I think his hardness is pretty good in tight and laying tackles.
its probably when there is a few around the ball he will let the other efc player get it etc and hang back a bit, or just lay a shepherd.

if only he had a bit more pace.


#1897

Yes, but watchers have that headache around young players all the time. And he might have had a role and done it well. We have to make a call on what we see, and that doesn’t mean the club will do what we think. As someone who I think is reasonably unbiased, he’s been disappointing in the second half of the season and the finals.


#1898

I would have liked to see him tried in other positions but I think 4 years on a list is long enough.

I can’t recall but I assume he was also a part of the James Hird academy which is another advantage that most other kids don’t get.

If he was good enough he would be playing far more games in the one’s by now.


#1899

Ahh, he’s been a back pocket all along. Now it makes sense.


#1900

My memory is too hazy to make this assessment, so I’ll open it up to others…how do you think the performances of Jake Long compare to Anthony Long?


#1901

Did Anthony even play? I thought he spent all his time in the rehab room


#1902

Has certainly improved but yeah, I think we have seen enough.


#1903

Because as much as people think it gave him an armchair ride to a few years of being paid to play footy, people need to understand it had its draw backs as well.

Some kids rise above their surname, others find it harder to overcome


#1904

I don’t think it gave him more of an armchair ride than any other fs.

We might not have drafted Jay or Darcy without it.
And we might not have drafted Jake.

Anyway, he’s had a decent crack.