Do we know enough about the virus to know that other another infection would not show up in a test eg if Conor had a slight cold, could that produce an irregular or low grade trace element?
Maybe WOB but they are not Essendon players, are they?
From my understanding it was reported there was a irregularity with the first test. - not conclusive to say covid. but enough to tell him to report for testing the next day and not to see the playing group. Then they waited for the second test.
Now maybe they said irregularity rather than positive test, to give them a chance to confirm it before the media jumped the gun.
I have not read all today’s posts here yet, but if they did do an antibody test on Stewart they are stupid. Normally antibodies take at least a week to be produced, let alone detected — and longer for “better” IgG antibodies. I doubt anyone has done a study yet on time course of antibody responses after covid infection so we don’t really know how long it would take for a person to test positive by any particular test kit. If Conor had been infected in Ireland (which does not seem to be the case) he may have had antibodies by now. Otherwise they would be stupid to test him on the basis of one inclusive test and one apparent false positive. But it’s not their own money they are wasting.
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This is what has me stumped. 2 different explanations on the EFC site -
It has also been re-confirmed that the two swab tests taken on Friday, June 19 and Saturday, June 20 were both positive results
McKenna was tested on Friday afternoon as part of the club’s and AFL’s COVID-19 protocols, returning a low-grade irregularity. He was tested again on Saturday morning and returned a positive result. He did not train with the team today.
???
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Yeah the one thing you would excuse Hadley on is that he is a Sydney radio jock obsessed with rugby.
His radio pal Eddie who loves AFL says Connor broke the rules, he is gonna take it as gospel.
And shock jocks don’t apologise unless its going to seriously cost them.
He would love the publicity by just being difficult.
The thing with their line of thinking is that you may as well throw out the whole AFL plan if you can just casually assume that 5 negative tests in a row are all false negatives. I mean if you assume that then you have to trace him for weeks and shut down all contacts. And imagine if he’d played a couple of matches in that period.
And if he can get 5 negatives in a row, how many other players are currently sitting at 1 or 2 or 3 false negatives.
And society. Were conducting 20000 tests a day to find this, but there must be dozens of false negatives that aren’t being followed up with 4 more tests over the next 2 weeks, so people are going out in society “it’s alright, we can hug, I’m negative”
It just makes no sense.
False positives are well documented. One of the reasons for not doing a while heap of sample testing was that “with that many tests there will be false positives and that will have significant impact on people’s lives and businesses”.
Taking the line that he has produced 5 false negatives on a test that you would think would be more likely to throw a false positive than a false negative (false negatives are a far more costly outcome for society as a whole so you’d tweak your test appropriately is my assumption) just makes no sense except as a way for you to justify a position that you’ve taken without considering the evidence.
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Is this person saying that Conner was positive for greater than a week But tests showed negative? If yes given how contagious COVID is I am surprised that no other player / official at the club or any of the 2 people he lives with are testing negative OR are they all false negatives. And to finish Cao ni ma Carlton
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consecutive days, but wasn’t the timeframe within 24 hours ?
that was going to be my question, could he have merely had a 24 hour period where he gave off false positive readings ?
Guess it’s hard to tell cos he wasn’t tested thursday, sunday or monday, but is it possible.
Yep, it’s all “just his opinion” and “just his gut feel” and morons either go along with it or love to get together at the pub and argue about what RH says.
While he does unfortunately have a huge influence and listener base, he’s like Alan Jones, and like him he is completely out of my demographic (or I’m out of his) and couldn’t give a fark what he thinks.
Interestingly the articles from news.com and CH7 that created articles based on his quotes are again just reporting that “some guy said” and can hide behind that…
One more thing, RH’s agenda here was to defend rugby league and NSW by taking a potshot at AFL and VIC, Conor’s feelings were just collateral damage. He was talking to people from NSW without any regard for Victorians. It’s like Eddie ragging on NRL, he doesn’t expect NSW t hear it, and if they do, more even more publicity.
In that regard I’m more ■■■■■■ at the AFL media as they are closer to the source and still blow everything up for clubs and players (but never the AFL of course).
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Oh, and also, this guy living in a more secure bubble than the general population gets it anyway, introduces the virus to that bubble, and no-one else gets infected.
As Trump says, it’s a very clever virus.
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Some pertinent stuff from Titus. Read the whole thing, not just Ess v Carl.
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Nope. If you test positive you isolate for 2 weeks and then they retest you. The 2 weeks is compulsory.
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I think if there is an inconclusive test, followed by a positive test, then it is usual to conclude that the first inconclusive was a positive.
The principle holds true for other medical tests. If you have an inconclusive cancer test, followed by a positive one, you can be pretty sure the first one was indicating something after all
It may be nothing more than a sensible assumption. Conor’s case does seem unusual though, which throws doubt on the “standard procedure”
So yep the real muck stirrer here is Mcguire. The mouth from the south.
Hadley just amplifies it. But really for a rugby league audience.
I agree the most plausible scenario is that he never had it, or he had it for what, 48 hours and then it went away again.
Thanks for posting. Enjoyed the read.
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I agree they did the right thing by assuming he was +ve after the +ve test, and I think they did the right thing by testing him again.
Does anyone know what a +ve test looks like? is it a mark out of 100, or is it like a blood alcohol concentration reading? Or are the results binary?
I didn’t hear it, so did he bother explaining to us mere mortals how they do make sense then?
Given how well Magic Johnson is doing, it’s got me thinking maybe he should get a 2nd HIV test.
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