If those contract terms are at all accurate, can only assume Joe (Joe’s management) and the club have had discussion around structuring the list management in a way that provides optimum salary cap room over the next three seasons to launch at trade\free-agency targets.
They have a model working on based on value to team. Robson brought it across from Hawks IIRC
Joe would be getting similar $$ to Hurley, Hooker, Watson etc, as highest paid players. It’s a hierachy.
And the players understand where they sit and also if they overshoot that significantly it means less ability to have more topline players in the team. And thus affecting ability to have team success.
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I don’t get what SillyBilly is saying. People are floating around numbers like what Martin is being offered, but you want to spend $500K per on Joe. If they’d say $3m over 4, I’d have thought that was a good deal for us.
Who else do we spend the big dollars on, considering we’re likely to be paying less…or nothing…for BJ, Jobe, Stants, Buddha, Bobcat.
I’d rather we make sure OUR players get paid the right amounts rather than bring in outsiders on inflated dollars.
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We need to pay our players the right amount AND bring in outsiders for the right amount (and the right amount may be an inflated amount).
I’d much rather pay overs for our own players and their loyalty.
Rather than chuck over a mill a season for a mercenary.
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Once the mercenaries are playing for us, you will learn to love them too.
Geoff Raines?
Throwing mercenary around like its an insult. One of our best players is a mercenary.
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And in hindsight, his ‘massive’ contract ended up being unders considering the value he’s given us.
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All teams have mercenaries.
Its not a bad thing.
I love loyal players but we are living in the dark ages if we dont start trying to grab some stars from other clubs.
They will be after ours!
Why pay overs if they’re loyal? Surely paying them what they’re worth would be sufficient. If it’s not, and you have to pay overs to keep them, what exactly about that makes them more admirable than a “mercenary”?
As long as someone dedicates himself to the club he’s at while he’s there, I couldn’t care less if he played somewhere else first.
Geoff Raines was dudded on his contract by Collingwood.
Wasn’t his fault that we got rid of some likable blokes for him.
If you pay them more now, while they’re young. Look after them and be generous on their contracts. In 5 years time when we may need to squeeze all our players inside our salary cap.
This will come back and provide with very good karma. When these players are available to walk out via free agency, and are getting offered huge dollars from other clubs, being generous to our players during this period is going to hold us in good stead.
IMO we should be putting Joe in the top 3 highest paid players at the club. He’s a match winner, he’ll be the best KP forward in the league, and is a potential EFC captain.
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You can’t surely believe any of that.
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His new deal will likely have him on par with Hurley and Hooker so that is exactly what is happening.
It won’t.
But his next one will be a ripper.
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If the 20 % rise is added to his contract when it comes into effect. Would probably get him to 1 mill a year.
It’s called building loyalty.
If I have a work place that is willing to offer me a lot of personal support, Encourage me to spend more time with my family, actually wanting to pay me more then the basic award, invest heavily in my training and personal development, bring in specialist coaches and trainers to build my development in the areas that I lack, believe and encourage for me to move into leadership roles, and then make life long friends with my work mates.
If a competing company tries to poach me with a position with more money. Even if the deal is a lot more than what I’m being payed. It’s going to be incredibly hard to make a decision and leave all the positives that have been mentioned. I’m going to be in a bind about my ethical issues of leaving all my friends, and the company that has looked after me since I was a kid that needed the support. It’s not rocket science.
Edit: im not just talking about Joe, im talking about all our young players. Trade and free agency is pumped up on steroids, and is only going to get more brutal… we need to invest in loyalty.
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Joe is happy with his contract so I am not sure why you lot are carrying on. If he wasn’t he wouldn’t sign.
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You know what else players love. Especially those part of a club tied dynasty? A massive leg up post footy. Which is what Joe will get in spades if he stays with Essendon.
Also remember Joe picked us over swans. Could’ve been playing and winning finals. I think he wants to be part of something more than money.
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