You’re right. Doc Reid is clearly a hack and this footage is undeniable proof
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From today’s Herald-Sun (online)
Woosha:
“He’s a long way off being back playing.”
“Our plan is that we don’t want this to turn into an injury that lingers into the pre-season and into next year, so we’ve got to make sure we manage it really well.”
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Still staggering that he was playing on such a bad injury.
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Send Daniher and Gleeson overseas for a holiday. tell them to be back for the first day of preseason training.
Finally some information. Nothing wrong with that approach if its at that level of seriousness.
I hope Joe is smashing the upper body weights though, I want him to come back and rag doll defenders.
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Basically blamed Joe for not letting the club know how bad his pain was. This will be a very long recovery going into next year considering the level of “damage” to the area
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I’m staggered that Brad Crouch played most of last season with it & Chris Judd for most of his career.
But it’s only our doctor’s that fark up, isn’t it?
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This
He’s a country lad – ‘She’ll be right mate’
JD loves footy and players just want to play however although him doing so in many ways was selfish as it was costing the team having someone out there on one leg. In other ways selfless trying to still play and help team.
It was aggravated then also and basically cost him the season it seems.
In any case hope he gets it right and doesn’t impact him again for rest of career, we miss him out there!
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But even still thats confusing. Joes form was abysmal- either his effort was supremely subpar or his injury was affecting him much more than he was leading on, either way surely some action should have been taken sooner or later. I just dont know how in a professional sporting club players can pull the rug over a whole football department like that?
And Joe has history with this… think it was 2014 the Richmond game, the game before Joe hurt his back and he told the club he was good to go, even though he wasnt, but then he absolutely stunk up the game against richmond and IIRC Bomber gave him a good old blast for it.
It just seems really, really amateur. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice sort of thing.
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Overseas, early 20s, with a groin injury?
What’s the point 
?
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And yet Joe is missing most of the season with it. Clearly different cases. Same with Judd.
I didn’t jump to the “our doctor’s fark up” conclusion (despite you implying otherwise). But when Worsefold’s now talking about the possibility of the injury lingering into next year, questions have got to be asked, no matter how defensive you want to get.
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Brad Crouch hasn’t played a game all year, sounds very similar to me.
And FWIW, I bagged out our medical team after Laverde pinged his hammy earlier this year, after complaining about soreness in that area during a scratch match. That in my eyes, was avoidable.
In Joe’s instance, who knows. A few on here are suggesting he withheld info or kept the “whole” truth to himself, which makes it impossible for any doctor in the world to diagnose.
But as per usual, the easy way out is to bag the club regardless, cause the club is a soft target (did you praise them last year for the sterling job they did then?)
Maybe we should be questioning Joe’s intelligence levels instead??
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So let me get this right. You want players to go back with the flight and risk getting smashed, you want them to fearlessly crash into packs, you want them to accept the inevitability of multiple concussions, you want them to run until near exhaustion, you want them to push themselves to the limit in the gym; but when they feel pain you want them to tell the Dr it hurts who sits them on the sidelines just in case it might get worse?
Joe’s willingness to play through pain and sacrifice for the team is a good thing, a very good thing long term; whereas you guys want to paint this as an evil tale of incompetence, and find someone to blame as you can’t deal with the risk and uncertainty of AFL.
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Cant agree with that at all.
Its all about trust. Players trust the medical staff to look after their long term interests regarding their health and wellbeing, while medical staff put their trust in the players to tell them everything they need to know so that they can do their job well and contribute to the success of the team.
I’m not sure exactly what Joe was ‘sacrificing for the team’ while playing injured? Structurally he could have been replaced by McKernan/ Hooker and in terms of pure output he wasnt offering much at all.
I take a complete opposite view, its selfish and immature if he did indeed not tell the medical staff all the information they need to know about his body, so that he can play a couple more games/ not be seen as ‘soft’.
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"But what we found once we stopped him doing everything and rested him, he was a lot sorer than he was letting on.”
While the medical staff may be partly to blame, this statement puts the blame in part with Joe himself.
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Do you know what is required to maintain your medical licence and be a leading specialist in your field? Stop being an idiot and saying things you know nothing about.
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Look, I had a whole other post refuting your points but my initial comment was just too offhand for me to continue to defend it. So whatever. If you’re so worried about the club being a soft target and they take offense to my vague comment, I’ll send them an apology. But “still staggering he was playing on such a bad injury” doesn’t inherently take aim at the club.
I’m not a club “bagger”. I just think club needs to be looking at their process as a result of this and if Joe was underplaying the injury, then the club needs to be tougher on players doing this. Joey was ueseless in the games anyway and his injury is probably longer than it needs to be now.
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Agree.
I don’t know who in particular that’s directed at but to my knowledge the club were aware he was playing and training sore, even as early as pre season. They thought they could manage him through training etc but I was surprised at how much he did. He played the JLT matches, then all the matches until he couldn’t manage it any more including a 3 game stretch over 11 days. I don’t care how much the “player lets on” but most who watch the games could see his work rate wasn’t there. His explosiveness off the mark wasn’t there, he just wasn’t the same player. I was told after the round three match his soreness had got worse so if I’m hearing that, surely our medical team were also?! I’m almost certain we won’t see him again this year and I’m ok with that so long as he’s getting the right treatment now. FWIW, Colyer’s issue was exacerbated by the fact they delayed surgery in preference for a rest & management approach but unfortunately it’s likely wrecked his season. I think questions need to be asked about the way we’ve managed injuries to some players in recent times.
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Getting real sick and tired of people criticising the medical staff for trying to avoid surgery.
Putting aside the fact that professional athletes are much more likely to get surgery to deal with injuries anyway, it is common medical practise to try everything they can (including rest) before they go down the route of surgery. Surgery is an invasive method that has an incredible effect on the body and comes with a wide range of risks.
I’ve got no issue with anyone waiting to try out other techniques before they try surgery.
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