Adrian Dodoro - Flankers into Mids since 2000 (Part 2)

[barnz]

theres those that are right, and weirdodoro cultists

[Sniggles]

Dodoro is only slightly better at his job than ScoMo’s empathy consultant was at his

[jonovdp]

Things can change quickly with a new List Manager.

A new List manager takes away any sentimental value to players, and they’ll analyse the list without any attachment.

The problem is that it won’t happen, as Dodoro wields too much political power. He won’t leave without a fight.

[Blummers32]

@aboods

I don’t. I just find it strange that people still waste energy arguing about this

You’re new here aren’t you?

[Nocturnal]

The biggest issue with Dodoros recruiting and list management is the complete hit or bust nature of the picks. We seem to find really good players, not enough, but we also bust a lot too, but where are the just good footballers. The 7-8 in each team that play a role week in week out, don’t make too many mistakes and make the team work.

The list of busted first and second round players that should be serviceable for years are non existent. For me, this is biggest failure he has. As any list manager can hit a top picks and you would with the number of top picks he has had. But the ones that make every pick count are the good list managers, and we certainly never have don’t that.

[Timryuken]

Yep. Was talking about this at the VFL with my brother yesterday. I’d like to see a stat comparison of the amount of players Dodo has picked that have literally never played an AFL game (or say, less than 10).

Cian McBride is an example. I’m sure he’s a nice bloke but he’s been on the list for years and was invisible yesterday, and that was at VFL level. What are we doing? Our list has become his Sportsbet account, he loves to gamble on players that could be anything, and we’re suffering as a result.

[Kialla]

Thanks for the info. I was not aware of the 2nd vote.

[ivan]

I travelled through draft guru to compare the number of 150 plus gamers he’s selected to some of the more successful sides. We didn’t compare well.

A comparison of how many sub 20 game players he’s selected would be interesting too.

[Fairtackle]

Can you post stats please?

[ivan]

It should be in this thread somewhere I think

[ivan]

@ivan

if you go all the way back to the 2000 draft we have selected only 9 players who have played 150 games or more for us. if you include carlisle, melk and houli, that number rises to 12 who played over 150 AFL games.

i can’t be arsed doing it right now but i’d be curious to know what that number is over the last 20 years for - for every other afl club.
Essendon Bombers AFL Draft History

Found it. This initial post was wrong, it was a few more than 9. If you read the thread from there I think you’ll see the comparisons I did.

[Timryuken]

Yep my bro mentioned the 150 game stat to me. There’s just so many who never/barely get a run at all.

Lachlan Johnson
Alastair Lord (no minutes sun doesn’t count)
Cian McBride
Noah Gown
Josh Eyre
Cody Brand
Tom Jok (rookie)
Garrett McDonagh
Jordan Houlahan
Trent Mynott (rookie)
Josh Begley (got a few games in)
Kobe Mutch
Yestin Eades
Alex Morgan
Will Hams (played a few)

This is just from 2015 onwards. It seems like a lot, I wonder how it stacks up to other sides. And the type of player - Kobe Mutch as an example. I watched a solidly build Swans reserves team destroy us on the weekend. Boys v Men stuff and we’re drafting these skinny kids. It’s unbelievable.

Edit: and might I add, these players can’t/barely get a game in teams that have not been challenging or even close.

[Walla]

Plus cahill

[MrMagoo]

Would love to know who are in the photos he has hidden away. Can be only explanation

[Milanista28]

He picks a few duds, picks zero stars/top line difference makers and a lot of AFL standard guys who are just good enough to keep us mid table.

He needs to go.

[Milanista28]

In my perfect world, we’d get a new LM team who come in and gut the list as much as possible, really change things. If it meant a few years of serious pain then so be it, but it could also make us better, putting faith into Baldwin, Tsatas, Davey, Davey, Bryan, Perkins, Voss, Hobbs, Caldwell, Martin, Durham, Cox, Reid, Hayes Massimo, Tex and Hunter could be fun.

We’d likely miss finals and likely finish bottom 4, but imo it’s better than riding along in mid table wilderness.

[Kingston_Town]

I blame Dodoro for not having the foresight to draft Harley Reid’s father and using his influence to get him 100 games at the club.
Surely, this lack of forward thinking and proactive list management can’t be tolerated.

[James98]

How good is our list looking, can’t even beat the worst team in the competition since Fitzroy

[barnz]

bigger fraud than everyone at their first job

[IceTemple]

Thanks Dodoro, great list. Can’t mark, can’t kick. You have built a high quality side.