Post 3810 refers, also previous information I posted, from which it would be reasonable to draw the conclusion that it was ineffective following changes to its structure, role and scope of powers
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If you can be bothered, a good read on the strengths and weaknesses of ATSIC here, Howard was never going to make things easy for that organisation being utter cant he was and knowing full well how to kill it slowly.
Latham being an utter cant saw votes in canning it and, as it turns out, was also a crazy hive of prejudices and firmly in the mad bosom of the right wing. Labor, being full of politicians in opposition, meekly followed their new, quite popular leader. The likes of Albanese and probably Carr were not pleased, and now you have Albanese maybe in a position to make some amends.
Lawry why do you give a ā ā ā ā ?
I donāt have one.
As I stated before, I have no idea how effective or corrupt ATSIC was. I recall it had a poor reputation, however that was before I was politically engaged and that could be coloured by a bias in media I was unaware of.
Iāve had a minor run-in with Geoff Clarke, who was a total ā ā ā ā , but thatās the extent of it.
Iād agree with that. I mean, I can name many many government bodies that have been proven to be riddled with significant corruption at various times, and theyāre still there. Starting with every police force, for example.
If something you value is corrupt, you fix it. (Or you turn a blind eye to it and jail a few scapegoats). But if you find corruption in something you want to destroy anyway, it gives you a good excuse.
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An earlier poster said the LNP abolished ATSIC - I merely pointed out that whilst that was true; this abolishment was supported by Labor and our PM
IIRC, my initial post referred to the legislation being rescinded with the support of the ALP Opposition ( also to unproven claims of corruption ) and the APH quick guide referred to in a recent post also refers to it.
Just keep leaving out the bits
I donāt think it was atsic per se but rather itās leader Geoff Clarke was absolutely toxic. He was corrupt related to his clans trust and was in the courts for rape charges.
And there was allways votes for Howard in punching down, aboriginal, Muslim and the unemployed were regular targets of his.
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A protest non-vote means exactly that; itās not a vote, itās the same as if you left it blank or drew a genitalia pic or just walked out after they ruled your name off.
It doesnāt equal NO or YES; it is not part of the 100% of relevant votes.
Itās just someoneās kink.
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I wasnāt referring to you ā¦.relax @bigallan ā¦ā¦scroll up you Iāll see what I was referring toā¦ā¦no bits left out. You seem a little combative and on edge lately - are you ok ?
Geoff Clark is known as an all round thug around Warrnambool and Framlingham. He got off some rape charges and later faced numerous charges of fraud, most of them linked to Framlingham.
From memory he wasnāt charged in respect of ATSIC or the administration of Bonner House at Woden in the ACT ( a prime piece of real estate)
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Indeed, hence the more whys the āothersideā write, the greater the chance that your āsideā wins the vote.
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The way he was acting towards my female colleagues gave me some belief that those rape charges had merit to them
In January 2007 a County Court of Victoria civil jury found that he had led two pack rapes in 1971.[1] The victim, Carol Anne Stingel, suffered from post traumatic stress syndrome, was awarded $20,000 in compensatory damages and around $71,000 to cover legal costs.[7]
In February 2007 Clark appealed the findings of the jury in the Stingel matter. His notice of appeal alleged the verdict to be āperverseā, that the trial judge misdirected the jury regarding failures to call corroborative witnesses on the part of the complainant, that the trial judge erred in ruling against the admission of certain evidence, and that the fairness of the trial process had been compromised by pre-trial publicity.[8] In December 2007 he lost his appeal against the damages awarded against him.[9] Clark never paid the $20,000 compensation to Stingel and as of 2013 owed more than $300,000 to her lawyers.[10] Although Clark declared bankruptcy in 2009, which was extended by five years in June 2012, he made an unsuccessful $1.25 million bid in June 2013 for a hotel in Warrnambool.[10]
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Interesting @IceTemple ā¦ā¦I must admit I donāt recall any of the ATSIC stuff or Geoff Clarke. For me it poses the question - how was he elected to ATSiC with his chequered background ? They held elections for ATSIC - is that correct ?
How did Alan Tudge get elected at the last election?
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And did you read the rest of the post or just the bit that had your name in it? Generally thought that Albanese and a good number of ALP people were not happy with it, and I believe Carr attempted to get an amendment passed right up to the moment which would have removed a lot of the purposefully awkward interfacing between specific ATSIC groups and government.
If youāre just after a ābut what about Laborā point to make, which you always are, then yes they meekly supported its abolition because their leader at the time made the call. Latham. Not āour PMā.
anti corruption advisory boards no doubt, fr fr
Craig Thomson, Stuart Robert and a raft of them at State level, including Premiers from different Parties.
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He was elected before the claims based purely on Wiki:
In December 1996 Clark was elected to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission (ATSIC) board[1] as the Native Title spokesman. In December 1999 he became the first chairperson of ATSIC to be elected to that position.
Court proceedings[edit]
In 2000 Clark was charged with the 1981 rape of his cousin, Joanne McGuinness, but a magistrate found there was insufficient evidence to bring the case to trial.[3]
In 2001, press reports in The Age claimed that Clark was responsible for four rapes that took place in the 1970s and 1980s.[1] McGuiness and Carol Stingel launched separate civil cases against Clark in 2002.[4]
In 2003 it emerged that ATSIC had agreed to allocate $45,000 to fund Clarkās legal defence relating to a pub brawl where he was present.[1] Nineteen charges were initially filed, with all but āriotous behaviourā and āobstructing policeā eventually dropped. Clark was convicted on both in his first trial, with the riotous behaviour charge later dismissed on appeal.[5][6]
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