It works. The problem Wimmera brings up is there but you have to wonder how many young non smokers taking it up wouldāve found themselves taking a durry eventually if they didnāt. Lesser of two evils by the length of the Everest Cup straight, and slightly more vested interests. Legalise the weed and everyone can get on a green vape, weāll sort quite a few problems out. I mean, a bit of legit paranoia these days is everybodyās lot regardless.
Yeah agree Wim. With all that being said and Iām finding the deep dive into this topic as a reformed smoker fascinating. Quitting was the hardest thing I have ever done and have had a few friends recently who where twice as heavy smokers as I was use the āvapeā to quit and did it successfully.
Iāve has two deaths in my family from smoking related Iām all for new tech in quitting. But the point you raised is extremely valid.
I guess it needs to be tackled like any other legal drug, age limit restrictions.
With all that being said nicotine is a poison when ingested and itās incredibly addictive but when inhaled by the vape, nicotine is harmless. Iām not saying let all the kids vape Nic, just give it to people who need to quit smoking.
Via percription perhaps?
My overall point is the health minister allowing the most effective method of quitting smoking thatās ever arrived to allow remaining a criminal offence is the definition of idiocy. It could save thousands of lives a year.
Do you have any wider info on the effectiveness of vaping to quite smoking with & without nicotine? Iāve spoken to a few people who have quit using it but I wasnāt aware we had different restrictions here & assumed its still contained nicotine. Iāve been trying to encourage a few family to quit but wasnāt sure if vaping was more successful.
Itās flavoured steam in Oz. Can order from the US to get the stuff with nicotine. Small businesses that attempted to sell the real thing here got destroyed.
I havenāt looked at a specific study to that effect Nic Vs no Nic, but itās an easy to extrapolate.
This is a study where people who went to Vaping at 6 to 12 month intervals
A 40% quit rate after 12 months is extremely impressive, the take away is If you can convince your family member to straight vape, it significantly increases their chances of quitting long term.
More here on 3 case group study
More here vs Nicotine replacement therapy.
The main takeaway when you start to look at all the studies is being able to stick to straight vape instead of combination is a lot more effective in long term quitting, and having nicotine in the liquid helps manage the cravings from conventional cigarettes. Therefore making it easier to straight vape.
I was getting nic juice from the US but last time I ordered was told they could no longer ship internationally due to some new law. I was referred to their NZ supplier. Now I just get the pure nic from NZ, base liquid and flavours locally, and mix my own (drug lab indeed).
I used it to give up cigs and it worked, but I havenāt quit nicotine and donāt plan to quit vaping at present. Apart from the positive health effects, which do require more research, cost is about 5% that of cigs, and the vape doesnāt leave behind the awful stench.
Any objective assessment seems to support it, but that doesnāt mean much in this country.
During the course of today, I will try to find out about that. I have heard of the saltpetre thing, of course, for the last fifty years or so and over that time I have concluded it is not true. However, I do believe there are additives but they are in all forms of tobacco, not just the tailories. There is definitely a difference between papers though - some have something added to keep them burning, but not all. Dauwe Egberts are a multi national that dabbles in many products, particularly products that have an addictive component or if not addictive then compulsive like coffee. I do not see them as altruistic to the point that they are any ācleanerā than any other tobacco manufacturer. The only way to ensure a ācleanā product is to grow it yourself, which sounds harder than it is. My mother described a method of curing tobacco which is what she did during the war when one could not readily get any. These days I believe there is absolutely nothing that cannot be found out on the net like explicit instructions on making all kinds of weapons and I have no doubt, curing tobacco. Anyway, just to stir the pot a bit, I believe that no substances that people can abuse, should be banned. It is the consequences of abuse that need to be addressed and the reasons why substance abuse happens in the first place. I think most thinking people would agree that banning something is a sure way of ensuring itās continued use.
I get it, totally agree itās a drug and eventually Iād like to see if farked off altogether. But I think forcing pharmacists to sell a drug that has absolutely no health benefits is kinda against what they are all about (get healthy, fix your aches, pains ailments, jelly beans, etc).
Iāve been having this argument, and saying pretty much the same thing, for a decade.
All it should have been about it is getting Australia off tobacco in the kindest way possible.
But we have jerk politicians who couldnāt give a rats about that, so we have the whole āincrease the price until itās no longer feasible to smoke and advertise that all smokers are ā ā ā ā ā ā policy.
I honestly think we could have been tobacco free by now if weād had the guts to be progressive about it a decade ago.
Grow our own tobacco, apparently Tasmania has a very good climate for that.
One brand of cigarettes, the government one.
Plain packaging.
Ban all imports.
Available only through chemists, and you need a script from a GP to say youāre an existing smoker.
Settle petal. I merely asked a question.
Let me rephrase it and ask, if drugs are to be sold by pharmacies, where do you draw the line?
And how do you judge what makes something pharmacy only?
Completely and utterly settled.
As I alluded to earlier, I think the line is already drawn with methadone.
And as to what makes something pharmacy only, I donāt know what you mean.
Itās whatever we say it is.