Bitcoin, and other tulips

I couldn’t care less about Trump. It’ll be volatile which can have negative and positive benefits.
I’ll follow the chart though and previous cycle similarities and play the probabilities. Everything else can be a bonus.

As far as the time lengths of the cycle it’s anyone’s guess.
Breakout above previous cycle all time high to top of cycle has been 330~ to 370~ days in the last two cycles. So that leaves us with a late January / early March cycle top.

Low to high of those two cycles has been 1060~ to 1070~ days which leaves us with October sometime. We might get an almighty correction like we did towards the end of the 2021 cycle or continue going up like the 2017 cycle.

Fair to say that if we get to April and we’re still reaching all time high’s, the breakout to cycle high time count isn’t the one to go with and the 2017 end pattern seems to be ‘rhyming’. If it’s peaked and struggling to reach all time highs, then the 2021 end pattern is still in play. If we reach August and BTC is still dropping, then it’s unlikely to reverse for all time highs (doesn’t mean it cannot happen).

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I lost 20 grand selling some Aussie shares I held this year.

They doubled my money from buy in price but I sold them to pay down the mortgage

Shoulda held em

Was pretty happy with that investment on buying and selling as a value investment based on P/E and their balance sheet.

Didn’t anticipate for market exhuberance.

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I know I’ve said it before and it’s probably boring to read it again, but I still can’t believe the ‘investment’ I had that was almost completely destroyed down to $28 in late 2018 is now ‘worth’ $886.

I can’t imagine how anyone puts real money in this stuff.
Too rich for my blood.

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The safer coin (Bitcoin) has done something similar through previous cycles.

High of $1,160~, went back down to $150.
Went up to $19,670~, went back down $3,120~.
Went back up to $69k, went back down to $15k.
We’re now up to $100k with more likely to come and it’ll surely drop back down to what will look like an ungodly crash again (just like every other cycle).

That’s pretty much the definition of a volatile market.
But it’s also higher highs and higher lows. It’s likely that trend continues and when it doesn’t continue (which can obviously occur), it’ll catch a lot of people off guard.

You’re XRP example…
Whilst it is a great return, you have to weigh up whether you have enough conviction in investing with crypto to sit through a price drop from $2~ down to $0.29c have very little occur for another 900~ days for it to break above $1 and go on a run up to $3.
This is the time of the cycle for something like that to happen, but I wouldn’t be gambling on it. Because every 20% move that happened during those 900~ days could have been that ‘pump up to $3’ that failed. It’s very hard to consistently trade for that kind of move.

For my form of trading, I try to set rules to keep me out of those type of trades. And I’m fine missing out on them. They are great for those few months when everything is booming, but there are other better investments that aren’t soul crushing.

One example…
BTC topped out at $69k last cycle. It’s now at $100k. That’s a 45% improvement.
XRP topped out at $2 last cycle. It’s now at $2.60. That’s a 32% improvement.
ETH topped out at $4,870 last cycle. It’s now at $4k. That’s a 18% loss.
HBAR was $0.57c last cycle. It’s now at $0.33x. That’s a 43% loss.
ADA topped out at $3 last cycle. It’s now at $1.20. That’s a 60% loss.
I know which one I’d prefer to have had my money in and one won’t bring along as much ‘emotional damage’ as those other ones did.
You can do a similar exercise with other coins that have been around prior to 2020. Good to be involved in them for that short period of time that they move, the rest of the time, BTC will perform better (more often than not).

I’m sure XRP will outpace BTC this cycle. A decent number of coins will, but they’ll also give back a good percentage of those gains pretty quickly at the end of the cycle. And stay dormant two or three years after that. And may out perform BTC for 8 months of the next 4 year cycle. But the other 3 years and 4 months are tough to swallow. You’re also missing a whole heap of other opportunities whilst you’re waiting for that 8 months move in 4 years. Better off to rotate through other coins or go relatively safe with bitcoin.

If you have a grasp of what to expect as far as price trend and timing, you can put together a plan to weave your way through it all. You are unlikely to consistently be buying the absolute low and selling the absolute high, but you’ll be getting some decent returns out of the cycle and get good chunks of a particular move. You also aren’t going to smash every trade out of the park. You will have some mis-hits. Every trader has them (even the great Warren Buffet), but the returns on their hits outweigh the returns on their misses.

It’s obviously backtested, analysed and calculated trading. Not a ‘just put everything on [insert crypto coin name here]’ play.

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Oh, I have a good spread, and honestly I don’t ever intend to take it out.

It’ll either become worthless in two decades, or it’ll be something, or maybe it’ll be worth exactly as much comparatively as it is now.

Good luck to you, though.

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There’s a good chance it all becomes worthless in a decade.
I don’t look to hold on to anything once a cycle top has been confirmed (which is hard enough to define until after the fact).
I’m fine with that.

The rest of the time I’m looking more at ASX stocks that can be more longterm holds across longer than the one cycle.

And I’m only risking what I’m willing to lose.

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It’s fun right now, tho.

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…plus a tiny amount of eleven other shitcoins.

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OMG Cryptobro!

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From that list I only have bitcoin.
NEAR is a watch. Maybe for next year after the first major drop.
I’m holding on to around 20~ coins that I observe daily.

I think I have incredibly small amounts of Cosmos or ADA staked in my Coinbase account that I’m looking to trade in sometime next year before closing the account.

I’m pretty happy with the returns to this point since September / October. The backtesting of my plan across a similar time period was about break even up until the January correction and got all its gains after that period of time. It’ll be interesting to see if that’s different this time around.

I’m not expecting as good a return as the backtesting I did. Each cycle has diminishing returns as it matures.

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No need to overshare if you don’t want to, but I figured I’d ask any way.

Is there anything else you can tell us about what a day looks like? Are you up all night tracking US market and time zones? Can you make much more than whatever you did before, or it’s just more flexible?

Ha!

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Do you think a proliferation of coins will eventually water down the others?

Or that it will be winner takes all.

A market of bitcoin and maybe one other?

Ie has Bitcoin always had that 50% share of the market?

XRP

60 minutes interview today with the CEO of Ripple, who own XRP, is bound to push the crypto higher. US securities commission and Ripple in dispute over Ripple’s use of XRP. SEC claims Ripple raised 1.3b through illegal securities while Ripple claims XRP is not a security but a crypto. With Trump’s inauguration next month and the obvious support of crypto, expect XRP to quickly gain momentum.

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This happens.
Newer coins are releasing ‘tokens’ so the volume of tokens you can invest in a coin is limited. But some have a good release schedule, others have a poor one. One I was stalking, I held back on because a large lot of tokens was being released, but it was during the US election week so the impact was unnoticeable. Others are released during quiet periods and you can see on the chart that it’s enough for the price to break down or go through a quiet period until it returns.

There is something like thousands of meme coins released daily or weekly. A high majority don’t make it very far. Some break through and find their way onto the more popular exchanges. Others just stay wherever they stay (I don’t concern myself in these ones).

The more important question to ask is, is there enough people buying and selling the coin to counteract the amount that is available? June & July would provide a different answer to November / December. February / March would another different answer. 2026 would provide a different answer to 2025.

Don’t think so.
Bitcoin is great for long term as I’ve mentioned. But during specific times, the other coins get far better returns than Bitcoin. So good traders will rotate their investments. Doesn’t mean you sell all your bitcoin and switch to XRP. You just rebalance the portfolio somewhat so you get the consistent gains of bitcoin and the returns from other coins.

Bitcoin has always had a dominant share of the market. I’m not sure what the split is.
It doesn’t really matter as it is the catalyst of the entire crypto market.
It is very rare (not impossible) to find a coin (ignore stable coins) that gives positive gains when bitcoin is floundering after a peak of the cycle. And it is also very rare to find a coin that doesn’t provide negative gains when bitcoin is moving like it is.

A good example is the period between March and September this year. Some coins held their value and actually improved during that time. A high majority of those moved very well as soon as bitcoin moved into all time highs in early November. Some didn’t. ADA, XRP and others were terrible even earlier this year when bitcoin went for a few long walks and doubled its value in six months. But during this move, they had their move across the following 3 weeks after bitcoin moved. But if bitcoin didn’t move the others are unlikely to have those similar moves (not impossible, but unlikely).

Until the cycle along with the higher highs and higher lows ceases to be a thing, I’m fine trading crypto. There will be a cycle where it doesn’t act like previous cycles (every market has one of these for a variety of reasons). It may rebound out of it, it may not. No one knows. That’s what investing is. You are trying to look for signs, statistics, timing, to stack the odds in your favour so that you come out of it all in a profit.

The main difficulty is the volatility of the market. If you can manage your greed, you’ll be fine. Take out parts or be aware of what can happen when the coin breaks down and exit. I’ve been in one coin 3 times over the last 4 months. It has spat me out 4 times. Once for a good gain. The other three times for a small profit. But in each of those buys, there was a time where there were good gains there to be had, but my rules are to let the stop loss do it’s thing. It may move higher (like others) it may not (like others). I’m fine to risk a drawdown for the opportunity to stay in a trade and get the results of something like OM or PEPE. Won’t happen often, but through backtesting, I prefer those results than taking some profits and getting annoyed when it takes off and I’ve taken half off the table. By the end of the cycle it pays itself off. And there’s less manual work for every trade

The hardest thing about trading is working out what type of trading you prefer (short / longterm), what kind of risks are you willing to take, what drawdowns can you actually sit through and how much time and effort are you willing to put into studying and tracking each coin you are investing in as well as the ones you are not. Once you have that sorted out (which can take trial and error), the other stuff (fees, what exchange to use, keep coins on the exchange or cold storage, etc) is relatively simple to deal with in comparison.

The bolded part was the big one for me. Through backtesting, it’s easy to sit through a 30% to 50% drawdown because you know the end result. And the chart goes past six months of trading data for 30 seconds. But sitting through that kind of drawdown for 3 or 4 weeks in real time is a completely different story.

My take FWIW…
I’ve set it up in a way so I can do everything I need to do outside of working hours. Two to three hours per day on my weekends are pretty much filled looking at charts.
I have alerts for certain overnight moves, but don’t ‘get up’ to trade it. It’s just to know what is happening. I don’t do scalping. I prefer longer term trading (weekly and monthly charts). A high majority of the major moves occur overnight, so I need to set my orders and prepare for everything beforehand. Usually, the planning is weeks in advance with lots of patience for a move to occur. There are certain days and nights that I do not like trading so I don’t trade them.
I’m not at a point to quit work, but I am not as reliant on work as I was.

I haven’t been through enough of a cycle to have the different plans for the different stages of a cycle. I have one for now which I have backtested heavily. I have another for the year after the cycle when everything goes down, but I still have to tweak it through backtesting which I aim to do this xmas break. One year is more likely sitting, waiting and observing with a long term view towards the next time things begin to build up again.

There’s a lot of planning involved. And sometimes, that planning doesn’t eventuate (for whatever reason). So you have to learn when to be investing and when not invest depending on your plan or strategy. There isn’t one strategy that works consistently through all phases. Every strategy will have its strengths and weaknesses and you just need to adjust your exposure or the strategy to suit the market conditions and of course whatever you’re willing to take.

Let’s face it, everyone is going to be an expert over the next four to five months. Because the market conditions make it easier to get out of trades with a profit. That is regardless of what narrative anyone wants to produce for a specific coin. The less narratives you get involved in (good or bad) the better you perform. The cycle is the cycle, regardless of the narrative or politics involved. Easier to just follow the charts.

A few historical narratives…
BTC ETF approval will pump the market and price straight away. It didn’t in January this year. That narrative carried the price a particular way but when it actually occurred, BTC went through a correction.
BTC halving will pump the market. Less coin available equals higher prices. It doesn’t happen. The best it’s done during halving is stay relatively stable, but it has reversed around that time.
ETH ETF announcement is going to make ETH be the bitcoin killer. It had its big move on the announcement in May, then gave back 50% for the next two months. It has returned since, but without the narrative.

Follow the chart. Not the narrative.

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So crypto it’s not like normal currency as an investment.

Ie being a currency trader and making any money isn’t really about long term holds.(traditional currency like buying USD, JPY, AUD etc)

At least as AFAIK from the handful of people I’ve ever met who’s done it.

So if one of these coins is actually ever adopted as a form of payment for goods and services does it make it a good investment to buy and hold?

(In terms of coin value). Or is the act of holding mean it kind of never will?

Because too much supply is being saved instead of spent? - ie circulation/velocity.

Stupid question - US or Australian 60 minutes?

US, about to air or is airing now

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Thanks for sharing.

There’s a guy at work that’s up all night trading, it’s all he ever talks about at work. It’s become so much of a thing people are pretty sure he’s not actually doing much of the work he’s employed to do. He comes across more of a ‘problem gambler’ always telling us about the big wins, but no one can figure out why he’s still working if he’s made so much money.

Anyway, good for you, and sounds like you’ve got the patience and steady hand to make it work with somewhat reduced risk.

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