Slander
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So any whispers on what the boys up to pre season to get a jump on fitness, toughness, edge, you know, all that stuff? Last year they were off to Arizona to become hardened and tough as nails, sooooo this yearā¦ scrabble anyone?
High altitude training in Santorini this year I believe.
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Caddy is good, we will get good kids this year. Caldwell , Durham are good.
Theres hope.
But yeah (and this is no slant on our champion captain). But if he has now won 5 best and fairests?
Well hes carrying this club more than any other single player carries theirs in the comp.
Needs more help.
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Yep, and Hird will bring Dodoro back. Hird idolises Dodo.
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Every manager has a blind spotā¦
Lets hope Matty Rosa can do the job and get us some good players up to AFL standrad on our tlist
Without being disparaging to Rosa I look at what US sports and top soccer teams do in list management with data, game theory, player pitching, scenario modeling, etc and the AFL looks so ā ā ā ā ā ā ā novice.
There is a massive opportunity here to gain an edge if we want it
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Completely agree. I remember seeing a ābehind the scenesā video of our list management team in the lead up to the 2020 draft.
RFK was talking about all the work they do behind the scenes and the data they collect. It briefly showed a spreadsheet with player data in it. It just showed basic stats like disposals and tackles. Obviously they wouldnāt show trade secrets on the clip, but it just seemed so amateur
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There is a ādata analystā at the club within the football department. Every club has one.
They get fed the raw champion data info and itās up to each club to filter through the info. It includes GPS info as well split up into a lot of categories (the only ones Iām aware of is speed and km with with ball vs without the ball).
Itās mainly used to try and gather some short term and long term trends as well as potential strengths and weaknesses that may not be noticeable watching an opponent on first viewing.
Sort of like what Hoyne does for SEN but a lot more detail.
Iām not sure if thereās the same level of info for U18 games because they are played in various locations. Itās likely that thereās been resources available since Covid. For AFLW at pre-season games, some teams have their own ādata collatorsā and they target certain stats. We donāt have one of these, but another club did last year. From what I saw, they were tracking time in forward half and time in forward 50.
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I hope weāre putting just as much effort in working out the type of player/s we need.
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Would love Brad or the club to give us some indication of what the ā ā ā ā weāre actually doing.
Rebuilding? Think we have the list?
Weāre in absolute no manās land, and Brad might be just the guy for the job.
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And yet the club preaches stability and patience aka the status quo.
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Thereās loads of stuff you can do with data that weāre probably not doing because we havenāt got a lot of gadget type operators in our footy department.
But Iām more talking about the stuff that guys like Presti and Morey do in the NBA for instance, the long term science informed list strategy work.
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Weāre not that far progressed because of the data available.
Alsoā¦
The coaches and most of the decision makers are veryā¦
Letās sayā¦
Biased or set with their ways. Rutten for instance was actually a huge advocate for using data. I think Scott does, but I suspect itās more to support what he sees rather than the other way around.
Certain stats have only been available in the last decade so weād need more time to collect the data and resources that help with long term list strategy to be able to do that kind of data dive. And thatās AFL. WAFL, SANFL, VFL, U18s is slowly catching up with the AFL.
The US have well advanced college teams and systems because thereās a lot more money involved in it. Itās almost its own industry.
Thatās probably what you get when comparing a $2bil industry vs a $10bil industry.
Itās clear US sports have become more data driven since the mid 90s. The broadcasts use quite very different metrics nowadays.
Weāre usually around 10 years behind US professional sports. Maybe even more.
An interesting tidbit thoughā¦
I know a data analysts that was in footy around a decade ago. It was a growing industry to get into back then. He ātiedā himself to his mentor who got sacked for saying something a bit āoff keyā. He eventually found his way into an NFL team with that mentor. He left to come back here for a similar job at AFL teams and there was very little interest (almost none). Maybe this is the rise of Champion Data taking more ownership of this space. Heās found his way back to USA for coaching experience.
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I think the last one who did that was John Birt, 1971.
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Bill Stephen?
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A mate of mine who is a professor of statistics, and mad Bombers fan, approached the club some years ago about helping with analysing data etc, ( gratis), crickets from the club, not the bit interested. Heād been an expert witness in sports related legal cases, etc, not a nuffy, but no interest.
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Unless he had a formula for increasing property development returns he would have been seen as useless. Project talls & vanilla midgets was the plan & no data was going to change that course.
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Libel surely?