Of course, hence the second part of my post.
And if we do the same exercise for a rebuilding team like Geelong, they will have just 16 players from their 2022 list
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could you show where you got this info, just doesnt seem right
Draft guru.
In reality, lists are defined by a core group of 15 to 17 core players, with the rest being a bunch of depth or developing players.
Until recently, we have simply repeatedly turned over the depth and junior players while keeping that core group entact
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And I wouldnât care if all of them left either
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Would you? By my count you will find 23 players still remain from 2022, with a 45% list turnover at Geelong.
Both Tsatas and Hayes were drafted in the 2022 national draft, therefore not part of the 2022 playing list but acquired post 2022
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Iâd love to see a stats junkie come up with an analysis of average list turnover rates 3-4 years out from a Grand Final position. Iâd love to know how these successful sides have done it. Are they turning over 10-15% of their list over a 3-4 year period, or 30%+?
If you have such continual high list turnover that simply means your drafting and recruiting team is incompetent and your development team is also inept.
Our issue is we keep getting rid of fringe players. Itâs the core group of experienced players that we need to turn over
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I mean, it has been a past issue before for sure. But weâve been pretty evenly cutting into B23 players as well as fringe players.
Could we go harder? Absolutely. But those remaining on our list from 2022 are all young enough with some few exceptions.
I thought the Lions would be an obvious go to considering theyâve made the grand final in almost every year Iâve been using for the list turnover timescale.
Since 2023s playing list the Lions have retained 30 players into this year, and as it stands for 2026 theyâll have retained 27 that were on the list for the 2023 season.
i lost count but it was nearing 20 players that arenât there for geelong, granted i couldnât be bothered doing a full detailed search.
what it should prove is, there isnât much of a difference between list turnover % of top teams and bottom teams. as others have said there is generally a core group of players who are built around.
thatâs why just looking at the raw numbers without context doesnât paint a full picture, and you can make an argument for poor recruiting that so many players (even prior to 2022) lasted only their original contracts and then where booted, many without even remotely near ready enough to get a game, let alone stay on the list.
what at least has changed a little under scott, is some of the perceived starting 22 have been moved on, even if not in enough numbers as some of us would like.
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Cheers - thanks for that mate. Thatâs a significant higher retention rate than us. If you are âin the windowâ then in makes sense to have far less âchurnâ, but it shows we just could not draft, recruit and develop a decent list under our former âoligarchyâ. I guess here we are now. Pity that utterly no one wants to come to us!
FA and the trade period will only see one way traffic out of The Hangar.
My only hope is that Rosa and Co can build a good platform over 2026-27 with shewed drafting, and then start grooming/courting/stalking proven talent as hard as the club has ever done from next year, for when the compromised drafts occur Devils come in, and we sell our collective mothers to get gun players to the club.
No. No they wouldnât.
You and I would. Most of blitz would. But itâs not we diehards that influence decisions. Itâs the casual observer. You and me invest time, emotion and, above all, cash, regardless of where the team sits. But the so-so fans drop off proportionally to the drop off in victories.
Thatâs who the game is catered to.
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It all depends on whether supporters think these young players actually have the upside to make us competitive again. Itâs a tough sell at the moment, because there is no guaranteed A grader in our side, like Daicos or Ashcroft. We have Caddy, but he has only shown glimpses. How much will Robertâs improve? Are the young guys going to get better, or like Cox, Perkins, Tsatas and Hobbs, all just become mediocre.
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I feel for Brad. No way he wouldâve predicted 2025. The pre-season game vs Geelong showed so much promise. YES I KNOW IT WAS PRESEASON. Promise.
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I remember that game. I was so excited. I really thought weâd turned a corner.
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Me too. Dual ruck combo looked great. Injuries hurt to be fair.
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I am hoping he will improve so much that Blitzers will not spell his name with an erroneous apostrophe.
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