Brexit


#503

I have not spoken to a single Pom who wants it to happen, I don’t know why they haven’t canceled it yet, a non mandatory referendum was the stupidest way of deciding


#504

All of my wife’s aunts and uncles are for it. They all still have UK passports, and claim pensions rather than work, and most of them live here.


#505

I don’t know many that want it either but they despise the current setup also and want something in the middle. I can’t see that happening though TBH


#506

All of the good bits and none of the bad bits because they’re very very stupod.


#507

Stupod.

Shiiiiit.


#508

I just assumed you were dodging the d*rn over-enthusiastic swear-filter.


#509

Yeah pretty much. I can fully understand why they don’t want to prop up minnow countries though


#510

Bit late for that, they’ve had scotland for 400 years and wales for 600.


#511

Why do you think they are?


#512

True :smiley:


#513

They want the best of both worlds which isn’t going to happen. I know a lot of English who still believe Greece should have got no assistance whatsoever and should not have been out.


#514

But wasn’t that the euro countries, not the EU, that bailed out Greece? I don’t think any UK did anything?

Edit: Actually googled, and it appears that they did contribute. Because they were part of the IMF. So unless they’re planning on leaving that as well, they’ll still be on the hook. But they didn’t contribute anything due to being part of the EU.

Article here: link


#515

The funny bit is the UK only paid off their WW2 debt about a decade ago.

Bailouts are fine.
It’s just that bailouts are no good.


#516

Go to UK and talk to poms; most I know want it bad.

Same argument and Trumps build the wall and Tony’s stop the boats; lets kept out all those reffos who take our jobs,


#517

Of those who voted - turn out was close to 70% - a majority of London voted to remain, while a majority of non-London England voted to leave.

Otherwise Scotland and Northern Ireland were the only other places to vote remain.

So it all depends on where people live.


#518

And age


#519

Yep. Older voters much more likely to vote leave.


#520

But mostly it is a perception about employment


#521

7 Labour MP’s have revolted, resigned, and formed an independent group.

Fecal matter’s really hitting the blades over there.

independent.ie

British Labour party divided: Seven MPs resign citing Brexit ‘betrayal’ and anti-Semitism - Independent.ie

3-4 minutes

The departure of the small group of lawmakers underlines the mounting frustration with Corbyn’s reluctance to change his Brexit strategy and start campaigning for a second referendum on Britain’s membership of the European Union.

With only 39 days until Britain leaves the EU in its biggest foreign and trade policy shift in more than 40 years, divisions over Brexit have fragmented British politics, breaking down traditional party lines and creating new coalitions across the country’s left/right divide.

“The Labour party that we joined that we campaigned for and believed in is no longer today’s Labour Party. We did everything we could to save it, but it has now been hijacked by the machine politics of the hard left,” lawmaker Chris Leslie told a news conference.

“Evidence of Labour’s betrayal on Europe is now visible for all to see. Offering to actually enable this government’s Brexit, constantly holding back from allowing the public a final say.”

The seven lawmakers were: Luciana Berger, Leslie, Angela Smith, Gavin Shuker, Chuka Umunna, Mike Gapes and Ann Coffey. They will continue to sit as lawmakers in parliament under the banner ‘The Independent Group’.

Labour won 262 seats at the 2017 election.

A Labour source close to the group, said Monday’s departures could trigger a second wave of resignations, underlining the frustration over Corbyn’s approach to Britain’s biggest shift in foreign and trade policy in more than 40 years.

Corbyn said in a statement: “I am disappointed that these MPs (Members of Parliament) have felt unable to continue to work together for the Labour policies that inspired millions at the last election.”

Corbyn has so far stuck to Labour policy to keep the option of a second referendum “on the table” if Prime Minister Theresa May’s government fails to secure a deal with Brussels that can pass through parliament.

His first choice is a new election but he has also called on May to change her “red lines” and for her to embrace his plan for a permanent customs union with the EU - something the prime minister has so far refused to do.

Britain’s 2016 referendum, which saw 52 percent of voters back leaving the EU, has deeply divided both of the country’s main parties, with both leaders struggling to preserve any unity in Labour and Conservative ranks.

The prospect of holding such a second referendum poses a challenge for Corbyn: while many of the party’s members fervently back a so-called People’s vote, others just want Britain to leave as soon as possible.

But Corbyn, a veteran peace campaigner, has also been accused by some lawmakers for failing to tackle anti-Semitism in the party, an allegation that has dogged the pro-Palestinian politician since he became leader in 2015.

Corbyn denies that he has allowed anti-Semitism to grow in the Labour Party and has pledged to stamp it out

More to follow

Reuters


#522

The Brits are monumentally ■■■■■■