Climate Change in Australia


#4084

ok i ride a road bike.
And i have a wahoo trainer which is cool.
Would be awesome if you could invent a bike that plugs in and generates energy while your riding.

Turns out its not worth the effort.


#4085

They are not baffled for the reasons you think they are


#4086

Any of them operating underwater fo 25 years at a time?

Sea water and steel

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/safety-alert-wave-energy-generator-at-carrickalinga/video/40636c733b71d59961d3a893842c0bd1

Interesting to note that after the renewable energy shills have got their government subsidies and their ratbag ideas have disintegrated in a screaming pile of ■■■■ they bugger off to be with their money in Swiss bank accounts leaving to local councils to clean up their crap.

Whatever happened to that one like a snake that sank off the WA coast.

Of course there was that proposed 25km long barricade across the Bristol channel to provide a constant flow of water for underwater turbines.
That went nowhere just like the other 6 proposals.


#4087

Oh yes they are.
You have no idea of the number of educated idiots there are running around loose without supervision…

Two bob experts as my father called them, and he was nearly killed by one.


#4088

And they get their knickers in a knot if you don’t call them Doctor.


#4089

Got a graph?


#4091

Good news everyone, Australia’s carbon emissions are hitting some truly historic levels!

What? Historically HIGH levels you say? But, but, but … I thought our dedicatied and conscientious government was busy taking STRONG DIRECT ACTION to reduce emissions IN A STRONG DIRECT FAIR DINKUM WAY.

FFS.

It’s always worth remembering that even under the feeble and insufficient Paris Agreement that Abbot signed up to, Australia has committed to reducing our emissions by 26% at least by 2030. Instead, we’re still skyrocketing.

And this graph doesn’t even talk about land clearing emissions, which have ballooned as the Libs and Nats have made it known to their mates in Qld that farmers can bulldoze basically any bush they want no matter what the law says, and the govt will find an excuse not to enforce.


#4092

Nah. I was told by our PM we’re going to meet our obligations “in a canter”. I don’t know why he’d lie about something like that.


#4093

What do we honestly expect when the people in government have personal financial investments in mining and power companies?

We’ve got issues with business people running the country, and have more emotional investment in their personal bank accounts than the future of the country.


#4094

YAYY!! Another record for OZ!

The Greenhouse Champions of the World!!


#4095

Also announced on the eve of both AFL and NRL GFs…lol


#4096

Not even close.

4 billion tonnes and increasing.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-24/china-is-adding-more-coal-capacity


#4097

Yes! GO CHINA!!

As long as they’re winning we don’t look anywhere near as bad.


#4098

But, but… no greenhouse emissions are influencing climate change.

Wait, wait! Maybe they are. A little tiny bit.


#4099

Wrong thread


#4100

Cantering towards destruction

Kaye Lee

Whoever wins the next election is going to face a monumental task to reduce our emissions in order to tackle the existential threat posed by climate change.

In one way, it would serve Scott Morrison right to have to face the consequences of his lies. But the country cannot afford someone who thinks prayer is the answer to the drought.

Our Prime Minister, the man charged with making the decisions on how to keep us safe, is a bald-faced liar.

When Barrie Cassidy asked ProMo on what he had based his claim that we would meet our Paris emissions target “in a canter”, we were subjected to the greatest load of waffle.

“…one swallow doesn’t make a summer, and I know that plenty of people will leap on that and say that you need to do X and Y and use those numbers for that purpose, but it means that we’re going to meet Kyoto 2 and we’ll smash that number. We smashed Kyoto 1.”

Aside from the fact that Kyoto 1 allowed us to actually increase our emissions by 8%, and that the only way we might meet Kyoto 2 is by fancy accounting practices, ProMo is deliberately and knowingly falsifying the information his own departments are giving him.

According to the report on Australia’s emissions projections produced by the Department of the Environment and Energy in December last year, “Total emissions in 2030 are projected to be 570 Mt CO2-e, which is 5 per cent below 2005 levels.”

Hang on. Weren’t we supposed to be cantering past a 26% reduction?

Far from increasing our modest 2030 target, as most of the rest of the developed world is doing, the report further states that “emissions in 2030 are projected to grow by 3.5 per cent above 2020 levels.”

Huh? How is a projected growth in emissions being sold as us meeting our commitments to reduce them?

Every five years, the Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource Economics and Sciences (ABARES) produces a national report on the status of Australia’s forests. This is extremely important as the vast majority of our claimed reductions are coming from the land use, land use change and forestry (LULUCF) sector (an emissions reduction of 114.9% since 1990 supposedly).

According to the 2013 State of the Forests report, “The best available source of such data is currently satellite imagery interpreted for Australia’s National Greenhouse Gas Inventory,” yet the latest National Greenhouse Gas Inventory report says “ Processed satellite images are not yet available to support the calculation of emissions estimates for 2017 and 2018 .”

But that hasn’t stopped them from claiming even more reductions.

In 2016, a group of leading ecologists voiced their alarm at new data which showed the clearing of 296,000 hectares of forest in 2013-14. This was three times higher than in 2008-09, kicking Australia up the list as one of the world’s forest-clearing pariahs. Then Queensland’s Department of Science report on land cover change, published in September 2017 showed a staggering 395,000ha of clearing for 2015-16: a 133 per cent increase on 2014-15.

Alarmingly, land clearing in the Great Barrier Reef catchment in the year to June 2017 was at its second highest level in 10 years. 152,000 hectares were cleared in the catchment last year, marginally less than the amount cleared in 2015/16.

That takes the total land cleared in the catchment in the last five years to 770,000 hectares — an area about three times as large as the ACT

When asked about these figures, Environment Minister Melissa Price said it was mainly a state issue and that net land sector emissions had declined since 2004/05, ignoring the fact that, in May, the Federal government approved the bulldozing of nearly 2,000 hectares of forest on Cape York’s Kingvale Station despite warnings that the clearing would add to the sediment load running onto the Great Barrier Reef.

“This declining trend reflects lower emissions from forest clearing and native forest harvesting, and more sequestration in regrowing forests,” Ms Price said in a statement. “We know climate change is a big issue for the Reef and this is why we have invested more than $400 million to help protect the reef through the Great Barrier Reef Foundation.”

Except the GBRF have specifically stated that they will have nothing to say, let alone do, about climate change.

When asked whether the foundation would be willing to lobby governments for policies to reduce emissions, land clearing and stopping coalmines, head of the GBRF Ms Marsden said: “It’s absolutely not in our strategic view at the moment.” Their goal is “boosting the Reef’s resilience so it can bounce back from and survive challenges like a changing climate and water quality issues.”

Ms Price has also heralded a return to Direct Action, once again ignoring the fact that just one year of clearing has removed more trees than the bulk of 20 million trees painstakingly planted, at a cost of A$50 million.

As Greg Jericho points out, including LULUCF figures in our emissions reduction targets is “disgraceful” because we used years when there was very high land-clearing as our base years and are allowed to “bank improvements merely due to us being less bad now than we were, not because we have actually improved our emissions.”

What is even more disgraceful is the lies being told.


#4101

“Fark you, science. Maybe by the time coal has totally farked the planet we might have come up with technology that makes coal clean.”


#4102

Interesting last paragraphs. Emissions reductions would be down year in year except the massive jump in LNG exports has screwed us.


#4103

“I’m not a scientist and I haven’t read the report but it’s wrong.”

Who’d guess this is something a former lawyer would use as an argument? No?

How about an Environment minister? Yeah, surely satire.

Then there’s the pearler about getting rid of coal by 2050 as a “long bow” but “clean coal” is absolutely going to become a thing somehow. Again, former lawyer. Current environment minister. I know, satire, right?


#4104

I’ve been hearing about clean coal for more than 20 years and that coal stations could be rebuilt to achieve this. Where’s the evidence?