ODI’s and the white ball are slightly different though, Starc especially can swing a white ball a lot better then a red. He can also go a little harder as the work load is less.
i’m afraid he is too robotic for me. if he has less work load in ODI should find someone who can carry the load in tests then.
Starc is on a hiding to nothing though. We want a fast bowler who comes it and hurts the opposition, such as Lee and Johnson provided. However we also don’t want him to cost runs and to bowl better lines and length and be more consistent. To be that he has to adjust how he bowls and he loses that edge that makes him dangerous. Lee and Johnson always copped criticism for being expensive, and apart from a golden period, Johnson was all over the place. Starc is trying to manage that and imo he shouldn’t. That’s what we have Hazlewood for, line and length like McGrath (though not as good obviously).
I would rather Starc stop being the opening bowler and go back to being second drop and going hard. You would see less of the robot then and more of the damaging bowler he once was.
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i agree. he seems to have lost his way. one would think you don;t lose talent so what has changed. bowling floaters at 150k’s outside the off stump to top order batsmen is a free hit. i would crap myself facing someone that fast but they are paid to perform. everybody seems to have an opinion on the shield and t20 scheduling but sadly it is out of the hands of bomberblitz.
bowlers who take wickets not ones that look good. example india
There was an analysis on the commentary, maybe Warne on Foxtel, that Starc was bowling cross-seam which means firstly, that he wouldn’t swing it, and secondly, that it screws up the ball so much that you simply can’t keep a shine on the ball for others to swing it.
I wondered whether that had been happening for a while, leading to plans to force shine onto the ball, and thence to Cape Town.
Have never heard Warne say anything too positive about Starc and he’s always keen to take a pot shot, so it wouldn’t surprise me. However the insinuation that our opening bowler is bowing cross seam is massive in two fronts if true. One is why does he need to bowl cross seam and secondly how have the coaches and captain allowed him to take the new rock when effectively he will be wrecking any chance we have to get it swinging.
From the close up footage they showed of him during the tests that I saw, he wasn’t bowling cross seam. But the seam was scrambled/at a poor angle at release on a lot of them. I think that cost him his usual inswing. He got the odd one to go but far from regular.
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Maybe Smith “Didn’t want to know about it” 
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The issue with selecting an Aussie ODI team currently is that the only 50 day cricket played at domestic level is now effectively a preseason comp. Hell its even called the JLT Cup.
Marginalising the format to the outer-reaches of the season means our players give it less attention. This means they don’t practice the format and that they don’t know how to do some fundamental things that are required in 50 over matches. To me this is clear in our lack of wicket taking and/or containment in the middle overs when bowling and our batsmen not know how to appropriately pace an innings. It feels like our batsmen are either in T20 mode or are batting like it’s a first class match.
These issues are hardly surprising given they reflect the type of cricket our players are playing when selected for an ODI. Trying to pick a national team 4 months after the format was last played is just frought with danger. The form players from the JLT cup were largely overlooked given their performances had tailed off during the Shield or Big Bash.
Therefore in my view, the only way we fix our National ODI team is to fix the scheduling of our domestic season.
Yes the scrambled seam was very evident. Unfortunately it has a similar impact - no swing for Starc and wrecks the ball for others.
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Since 2017 Australia has won 4, lost 18 ODI’s.
Maybe time to fixture ODI’s against UAE, Scotland, Nepal and the Netherlands to help restore parity!
But not Afghanistan in the UAE as their spinners would probably rout Australia.
2 years since we last won 2 ODI’s in a row. That’s approaching minnow status
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Siddle shouldn’t be playing odi’s anymore. Way too expensive, doesn’t seem to have the variations either to trouble batsmen in LO cricket.
The fact finch didn’t turn to him at the end when the game was on the line speaks volumes.
Australia’s middle order of Marsh,stoinis and Maxwell is their strength. They need to be a lot more attacking in the power play at the start of the innings.
Warner will help that, jury is out on Carey, finch can do it but is just in rancid form.
They should be giving short a chance to open against India and just give him full license to attack.
All the best teams open with two blasters who have the freedom to go out and blast away. Then have guys coming in who can stabilise the innings if early wickets fall
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Alex Carey in BBL avg 40 with a strike rate of 132
Short 46 s/r 148
They can both play and can both go quite hard and do it consistently with that sort of average.
This is how I would od the best as far as batting goes
Warner
Short
Smarsh (he does well in ODI’s and can consolidate in the middle overs)
Smith (same, can attack and can consolidate in the middle overs)
Maxwell
Carey
Stoinis
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What are people’s bowling and batting for the ODI side?
I reckon you’re right in only having one of SMarsh and Khawaja. Doesn’t hurt to have one guy who can anchor and build around, but two of them becomes a problem for run rate.
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What I don’t understand with Khawaja is he averages 50 with a s/r of 130 in BBL. He can go fast but you put him in the ODI side and he slows down.
nothing wrong with that order but the bowling needs some bowlers that swing the ball cummins is first pick with richardson boland as back up to the starc hazelwood that hopefully learn how to bowl an english line and length. it would be good to see zampa or any other bowler that shows promise
My guess is that he hasn’t played more than a handful of 50 over games over the past few years - yes I’m banging on about scheduling again! However this lack of familiarity makes it very difficult for him to have a feel for how to pace his innings. Contrast that to a T20 game when he knows he can just basically go at it from ball one.
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Our game plan is kaka, we basically concede the first 15 overs by playing conservatively, and still lose wickets, forcing our middle order to rebuild. This means that we must always score 100 in the last 10 overs just to be competitive, which isn’t sustainable given the quality of death bowling some teams possess.
If India had played pandya and Bumrah we would not have gotten close to 300 in either game. I can’t say that Starc and Co would have had the same impact.
When you are chasing 350-400+, which we will have to at some point, you must have a fast start.
Short shouldn’t be left out, it’s madness.
Despite CA forcing aussie cricketers to focus on t20s, we haven’t been able to produce quality bowlers who specialise in limited overs style bowling.
Our spinners all bowl flat and defensive which isn’t gonna take wickets in ODIs when we need them. Our quicks always looks scared to bowl yorkers and always default to their stock delivery which isnt gonna cut it in the final 10 overs in a world Cup match.
The fact that Tye and zampa are the best short form specialist bowlers we’ve produced says it all really.
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