Again, this seems to be more knee jerk reaction to something that sounds bad, rather than an actual retort.
I’d like to hear one.
Honestly.
Ok, can I have a go.
Here is a list of guys who left AFL lists this year
Mitch Grigg (del)
Matthew Jaensch (ret)
Luke Lowden (del)
Keenan Ramsey (del)
Sam Shaw (ret)
Nathan van Berlo (ret)
Hugh Beasley (del)
Justin Clarke (ret)
Billy Evans (del)
Jaden McGrath (ret)
Josh McGuinness (del)
Daniel Merrett (ret)
Jackson Paine (del)
Josh Watts (del)
Trent West (ret)
Matthew ■■■■ (del)
Andrejs Everitt (ret)
Jayden Foster (del)
Andrew Gallucci (del)
Billy Gowers (del)
Michael Jamison (ret)
Ciaran Sheehan (del) Clem Smith (del)
Jason Tutt (del)
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow (del) Andrew Walker (ret)
Mark Whiley (del)
Cameron Wood (ret)
Nathan Brown (FA)
Corey Gault (ret)
Tim Golds (del)
Matthew Goodyear (del)
Brent Macaffer (ret)
Jonathon Marsh (ret)
Dane Swan (ret)
Alan Toovey (ret)
Darrean Wyatt (del)
Jason Ashby (del)
Adam Cooney (ret)
Ryan Crowley (del) Courtenay Dempsey (del)
Yestin Eades (del)
Shaun Edwards (del)
Nathan Grima (del)
Sam Grimley (del)
James Gwilt (del)
Will Hams (del)
Mark Jamar (del)
Nick Kommer (del)
Shaun McKernan (del)
Sam Michael (del)
Gach Nyuon (del)
Tayte Pears (ret)
James Polkinghorne (del)
Jonathan Simpkin (del) Mathew Stokes (ret)
Tom Wallis (del)
Matt de Boer (del)
Josh Deluca (del)
Brady Grey (del)
Jack Hannath (del)
Sean Hurley (del)
Chris Mayne (FA)
Anthony Morabito (del)
Tendai Mzungu (del)
Matthew Pavlich (ret)
Clancee Pearce (del)
Alex Silvagni (del)
Tanner Smith (del)
Jimmy Bartel (ret)
Zac Bates (del)
Mitch Clark (del)
Jock Cornell (del)
Cameron Delaney (del)
Corey Enright (ret)
Padraig Lucey (del)
Michael Luxford (del)
Tom Read (del)
Keegan Brooksby (del)
Clay Cameron (del) Jarrod Garlett (del)
Tom Keough (del)
Cameron Loersch (del)
Nick Malceski (ret)
Luke Russell (del)
Henry Schade (del)
Danny Stanley (del)
Seb Tape (del)
Jake Barrett (del)
Jack Fitzpatrick (del)
Lachlan Langford (del)
Angus Litherland (del)
Jermaine Miller-Lewis (del)
Shem-Kalvin Tatupu (ret)
Matt Spangher (del)
Zac Webster (del)
Alex Woodward (del)
Chris Dawes (del)
Jack Grimes (del)
Matt Jones (del)
Max King (del)
Viv Michie (del)
Ben Newton (del)
Dean Terlich (del)
Nick Dal Santo (ret)
Michael Firrito (ret)
Brent Harvey (ret)
Robin Nahas (del)
Brad McKenzie (del)
Drew Petrie (del)
Farren Ray (ret)
Joel Tippett (del)
John Butcher (del)
Alipate Carlile (ret)
Sam Colquhoun (del)
Kane Mitchell (del)
Cam O’Shea (del)
Jay Schulz (del)
Paul Stewart (del)
Troy Chaplin (ret)
Adam Marcon (del)
Liam McBean (del)
Reece McKenzie (ret)
Andrew Moore (del)
Ty Vickery (FA) Chris Yarran (del)
Tom Curren (del)
Luke Delaney (del)
Sam Fisher (ret)
Tom Lee (del)
Brodie Murdoch (del)
Brenton Payne (del)
Josh Saunders (del)
Cameron Shenton (del)
Eli Templeton (del)
Abaina Davis (del)
Tom Derickx (ret)
Kyle Galloway (del)
Jack Hiscox (del)
Ben McGlynn (ret)
Ted Richards (ret)
Xavier Richards (del)
Corey Adamson (del) Jamie Bennell (ret)
Mitch Brown (del)
Damien Cavka (ret)
Brant Colledge (del)
Xavier Ellis (ret)
Kane Lucas (del)
Patrick McGinnity (ret)
Fraser McInnes (del)
Alec Waterman (del)
Jed Adcock (ret)
Luke Goetz (del)
Will Minson (del)
Indigenous guys bolded
Now considering that that list is currently is 158 delisted and retirees
Of that list 9 are indigenous.
5.69% of players delisted were indigenous guys who where not good enough, or could not cope with the demands of AFL football anymore.
There are 780ish AFL listed players last year
Indigenous players make up 9.48% of AFL lists in 2016
Fair to say there is no difference in rate of traction on an AFL list. Infact I could argue that the success rate is higher.
Again, this seems to be more knee jerk reaction to something that sounds bad, rather than an actual retort.
I’d like to hear one.
Honestly.
Ok, can I have a go.
Here is a list of guys who left AFL lists this year
Mitch Grigg (del)
Matthew Jaensch (ret)
Luke Lowden (del)
Keenan Ramsey (del)
Sam Shaw (ret)
Nathan van Berlo (ret)
Hugh Beasley (del)
Justin Clarke (ret)
Billy Evans (del)
Jaden McGrath (ret)
Josh McGuinness (del)
Daniel Merrett (ret)
Jackson Paine (del)
Josh Watts (del)
Trent West (ret)
Matthew ■■■■ (del)
Andrejs Everitt (ret)
Jayden Foster (del)
Andrew Gallucci (del)
Billy Gowers (del)
Michael Jamison (ret)
Ciaran Sheehan (del) Clem Smith (del)
Jason Tutt (del)
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow (del) Andrew Walker (ret)
Mark Whiley (del)
Cameron Wood (ret)
Nathan Brown (FA)
Corey Gault (ret)
Tim Golds (del)
Matthew Goodyear (del)
Brent Macaffer (ret)
Jonathon Marsh (ret)
Dane Swan (ret)
Alan Toovey (ret)
Darrean Wyatt (del)
Jason Ashby (del)
Adam Cooney (ret)
Ryan Crowley (del) Courtenay Dempsey (del)
Yestin Eades (del)
Shaun Edwards (del)
Nathan Grima (del)
Sam Grimley (del)
James Gwilt (del)
Will Hams (del)
Mark Jamar (del)
Nick Kommer (del)
Shaun McKernan (del)
Sam Michael (del)
Gach Nyuon (del)
Tayte Pears (ret)
James Polkinghorne (del)
Jonathan Simpkin (del) Mathew Stokes (ret)
Tom Wallis (del)
Matt de Boer (del)
Josh Deluca (del)
Brady Grey (del)
Jack Hannath (del)
Sean Hurley (del)
Chris Mayne (FA)
Anthony Morabito (del)
Tendai Mzungu (del)
Matthew Pavlich (ret)
Clancee Pearce (del)
Alex Silvagni (del)
Tanner Smith (del)
Jimmy Bartel (ret)
Zac Bates (del)
Mitch Clark (del)
Jock Cornell (del)
Cameron Delaney (del)
Corey Enright (ret)
Padraig Lucey (del)
Michael Luxford (del)
Tom Read (del)
Keegan Brooksby (del)
Clay Cameron (del) Jarrod Garlett (del)
Tom Keough (del)
Cameron Loersch (del)
Nick Malceski (ret)
Luke Russell (del)
Henry Schade (del)
Danny Stanley (del)
Seb Tape (del)
Jake Barrett (del)
Jack Fitzpatrick (del)
Lachlan Langford (del)
Angus Litherland (del)
Jermaine Miller-Lewis (del)
Shem-Kalvin Tatupu (ret)
Matt Spangher (del)
Zac Webster (del)
Alex Woodward (del)
Chris Dawes (del)
Jack Grimes (del)
Matt Jones (del)
Max King (del)
Viv Michie (del)
Ben Newton (del)
Dean Terlich (del)
Nick Dal Santo (ret)
Michael Firrito (ret)
Brent Harvey (ret)
Robin Nahas (del)
Brad McKenzie (del)
Drew Petrie (del)
Farren Ray (ret)
Joel Tippett (del)
John Butcher (del)
Alipate Carlile (ret)
Sam Colquhoun (del)
Kane Mitchell (del)
Cam O’Shea (del)
Jay Schulz (del)
Paul Stewart (del)
Troy Chaplin (ret)
Adam Marcon (del)
Liam McBean (del)
Reece McKenzie (ret)
Andrew Moore (del)
Ty Vickery (FA) Chris Yarran (del)
Tom Curren (del)
Luke Delaney (del)
Sam Fisher (ret)
Tom Lee (del)
Brodie Murdoch (del)
Brenton Payne (del)
Josh Saunders (del)
Cameron Shenton (del)
Eli Templeton (del)
Abaina Davis (del)
Tom Derickx (ret)
Kyle Galloway (del)
Jack Hiscox (del)
Ben McGlynn (ret)
Ted Richards (ret)
Xavier Richards (del)
Corey Adamson (del) Jamie Bennell (ret)
Mitch Brown (del)
Damien Cavka (ret)
Brant Colledge (del)
Xavier Ellis (ret)
Kane Lucas (del)
Patrick McGinnity (ret)
Fraser McInnes (del)
Alec Waterman (del)
Jed Adcock (ret)
Luke Goetz (del)
Will Minson (del)
Indigenous guys bolded
Now considering that that list is currently is 158 delisted and retirees
Of that list 9 are indigenous.
5.69% of players where not good enough, or could not cope with the demands of AFL football anymore.
There are 780ish AFL listed players last year
Indigenous players make up 9.48% of AFL lists in 2016
Fair to say there is no difference in rate of traction on an AFL list. Infact I could argue that the success rate is higher.
Perception is a funny thing.
So is burying the argument, as much of a fan as I was of Cedrick Collard’s career.
What I don't understand is that why, given the many failures in recent years in particular, people feel the need to criticise the club every time we opt to not draft an aboriginal player, as if we have to meet some sort of unwritten quota.
So your saying it’s only ok to exclude because of racial profiling?
I’m with you Ben.
■■■■■ comes in many colours.
As does quality.
Again, this seems to be more knee jerk reaction to something that sounds bad, rather than an actual retort.
I’d like to hear one.
Honestly.
Ok, can I have a go.
Here is a list of guys who left AFL lists this year
Mitch Grigg (del)
Matthew Jaensch (ret)
Luke Lowden (del)
Keenan Ramsey (del)
Sam Shaw (ret)
Nathan van Berlo (ret)
Hugh Beasley (del)
Justin Clarke (ret)
Billy Evans (del)
Jaden McGrath (ret)
Josh McGuinness (del)
Daniel Merrett (ret)
Jackson Paine (del)
Josh Watts (del)
Trent West (ret)
Matthew ■■■■ (del)
Andrejs Everitt (ret)
Jayden Foster (del)
Andrew Gallucci (del)
Billy Gowers (del)
Michael Jamison (ret)
Ciaran Sheehan (del) Clem Smith (del)
Jason Tutt (del)
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow (del) Andrew Walker (ret)
Mark Whiley (del)
Cameron Wood (ret)
Nathan Brown (FA)
Corey Gault (ret)
Tim Golds (del)
Matthew Goodyear (del)
Brent Macaffer (ret)
Jonathon Marsh (ret)
Dane Swan (ret)
Alan Toovey (ret)
Darrean Wyatt (del)
Jason Ashby (del)
Adam Cooney (ret)
Ryan Crowley (del) Courtenay Dempsey (del)
Yestin Eades (del)
Shaun Edwards (del)
Nathan Grima (del)
Sam Grimley (del)
James Gwilt (del)
Will Hams (del)
Mark Jamar (del)
Nick Kommer (del)
Shaun McKernan (del)
Sam Michael (del)
Gach Nyuon (del)
Tayte Pears (ret)
James Polkinghorne (del)
Jonathan Simpkin (del) Mathew Stokes (ret)
Tom Wallis (del)
Matt de Boer (del)
Josh Deluca (del)
Brady Grey (del)
Jack Hannath (del)
Sean Hurley (del)
Chris Mayne (FA)
Anthony Morabito (del)
Tendai Mzungu (del)
Matthew Pavlich (ret)
Clancee Pearce (del)
Alex Silvagni (del)
Tanner Smith (del)
Jimmy Bartel (ret)
Zac Bates (del)
Mitch Clark (del)
Jock Cornell (del)
Cameron Delaney (del)
Corey Enright (ret)
Padraig Lucey (del)
Michael Luxford (del)
Tom Read (del)
Keegan Brooksby (del)
Clay Cameron (del) Jarrod Garlett (del)
Tom Keough (del)
Cameron Loersch (del)
Nick Malceski (ret)
Luke Russell (del)
Henry Schade (del)
Danny Stanley (del)
Seb Tape (del)
Jake Barrett (del)
Jack Fitzpatrick (del)
Lachlan Langford (del)
Angus Litherland (del)
Jermaine Miller-Lewis (del)
Shem-Kalvin Tatupu (ret)
Matt Spangher (del)
Zac Webster (del)
Alex Woodward (del)
Chris Dawes (del)
Jack Grimes (del)
Matt Jones (del)
Max King (del)
Viv Michie (del)
Ben Newton (del)
Dean Terlich (del)
Nick Dal Santo (ret)
Michael Firrito (ret)
Brent Harvey (ret)
Robin Nahas (del)
Brad McKenzie (del)
Drew Petrie (del)
Farren Ray (ret)
Joel Tippett (del)
John Butcher (del)
Alipate Carlile (ret)
Sam Colquhoun (del)
Kane Mitchell (del)
Cam O’Shea (del)
Jay Schulz (del)
Paul Stewart (del)
Troy Chaplin (ret)
Adam Marcon (del)
Liam McBean (del)
Reece McKenzie (ret)
Andrew Moore (del)
Ty Vickery (FA) Chris Yarran (del)
Tom Curren (del)
Luke Delaney (del)
Sam Fisher (ret)
Tom Lee (del)
Brodie Murdoch (del)
Brenton Payne (del)
Josh Saunders (del)
Cameron Shenton (del)
Eli Templeton (del)
Abaina Davis (del)
Tom Derickx (ret)
Kyle Galloway (del)
Jack Hiscox (del)
Ben McGlynn (ret)
Ted Richards (ret)
Xavier Richards (del)
Corey Adamson (del) Jamie Bennell (ret)
Mitch Brown (del)
Damien Cavka (ret)
Brant Colledge (del)
Xavier Ellis (ret)
Kane Lucas (del)
Patrick McGinnity (ret)
Fraser McInnes (del)
Alec Waterman (del)
Jed Adcock (ret)
Luke Goetz (del)
Will Minson (del)
Indigenous guys bolded
Now considering that that list is currently is 158 delisted and retirees
Of that list 9 are indigenous.
5.69% of players where not good enough, or could not cope with the demands of AFL football anymore.
There are 780ish AFL listed players last year
Indigenous players make up 9.48% of AFL lists in 2016
Fair to say there is no difference in rate of traction on an AFL list. Infact I could argue that the success rate is higher.
Perception is a funny thing.
So is burying the argument, as much of a fan as I was of Cedrick Collard’s career.
true, but I really dont want people to accuse me of inconsistency.
Again, this seems to be more knee jerk reaction to something that sounds bad, rather than an actual retort.
I’d like to hear one.
Honestly.
Ok, can I have a go.
Here is a list of guys who left AFL lists this year
Mitch Grigg (del)
Matthew Jaensch (ret)
Luke Lowden (del)
Keenan Ramsey (del)
Sam Shaw (ret)
Nathan van Berlo (ret)
Hugh Beasley (del)
Justin Clarke (ret)
Billy Evans (del)
Jaden McGrath (ret)
Josh McGuinness (del)
Daniel Merrett (ret)
Jackson Paine (del)
Josh Watts (del)
Trent West (ret)
Matthew ■■■■ (del)
Andrejs Everitt (ret)
Jayden Foster (del)
Andrew Gallucci (del)
Billy Gowers (del)
Michael Jamison (ret)
Ciaran Sheehan (del) Clem Smith (del)
Jason Tutt (del)
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow (del) Andrew Walker (ret)
Mark Whiley (del)
Cameron Wood (ret)
Nathan Brown (FA)
Corey Gault (ret)
Tim Golds (del)
Matthew Goodyear (del)
Brent Macaffer (ret)
Jonathon Marsh (ret)
Dane Swan (ret)
Alan Toovey (ret)
Darrean Wyatt (del)
Jason Ashby (del)
Adam Cooney (ret)
Ryan Crowley (del) Courtenay Dempsey (del)
Yestin Eades (del)
Shaun Edwards (del)
Nathan Grima (del)
Sam Grimley (del)
James Gwilt (del)
Will Hams (del)
Mark Jamar (del)
Nick Kommer (del)
Shaun McKernan (del)
Sam Michael (del)
Gach Nyuon (del)
Tayte Pears (ret)
James Polkinghorne (del)
Jonathan Simpkin (del) Mathew Stokes (ret)
Tom Wallis (del)
Matt de Boer (del)
Josh Deluca (del)
Brady Grey (del)
Jack Hannath (del)
Sean Hurley (del)
Chris Mayne (FA)
Anthony Morabito (del)
Tendai Mzungu (del)
Matthew Pavlich (ret)
Clancee Pearce (del)
Alex Silvagni (del)
Tanner Smith (del)
Jimmy Bartel (ret)
Zac Bates (del)
Mitch Clark (del)
Jock Cornell (del)
Cameron Delaney (del)
Corey Enright (ret)
Padraig Lucey (del)
Michael Luxford (del)
Tom Read (del)
Keegan Brooksby (del)
Clay Cameron (del) Jarrod Garlett (del)
Tom Keough (del)
Cameron Loersch (del)
Nick Malceski (ret)
Luke Russell (del)
Henry Schade (del)
Danny Stanley (del)
Seb Tape (del)
Jake Barrett (del)
Jack Fitzpatrick (del)
Lachlan Langford (del)
Angus Litherland (del)
Jermaine Miller-Lewis (del)
Shem-Kalvin Tatupu (ret)
Matt Spangher (del)
Zac Webster (del)
Alex Woodward (del)
Chris Dawes (del)
Jack Grimes (del)
Matt Jones (del)
Max King (del)
Viv Michie (del)
Ben Newton (del)
Dean Terlich (del)
Nick Dal Santo (ret)
Michael Firrito (ret)
Brent Harvey (ret)
Robin Nahas (del)
Brad McKenzie (del)
Drew Petrie (del)
Farren Ray (ret)
Joel Tippett (del)
John Butcher (del)
Alipate Carlile (ret)
Sam Colquhoun (del)
Kane Mitchell (del)
Cam O’Shea (del)
Jay Schulz (del)
Paul Stewart (del)
Troy Chaplin (ret)
Adam Marcon (del)
Liam McBean (del)
Reece McKenzie (ret)
Andrew Moore (del)
Ty Vickery (FA) Chris Yarran (del)
Tom Curren (del)
Luke Delaney (del)
Sam Fisher (ret)
Tom Lee (del)
Brodie Murdoch (del)
Brenton Payne (del)
Josh Saunders (del)
Cameron Shenton (del)
Eli Templeton (del)
Abaina Davis (del)
Tom Derickx (ret)
Kyle Galloway (del)
Jack Hiscox (del)
Ben McGlynn (ret)
Ted Richards (ret)
Xavier Richards (del)
Corey Adamson (del) Jamie Bennell (ret)
Mitch Brown (del)
Damien Cavka (ret)
Brant Colledge (del)
Xavier Ellis (ret)
Kane Lucas (del)
Patrick McGinnity (ret)
Fraser McInnes (del)
Alec Waterman (del)
Jed Adcock (ret)
Luke Goetz (del)
Will Minson (del)
Indigenous guys bolded
Now considering that that list is currently is 158 delisted and retirees
Of that list 9 are indigenous.
5.69% of players where not good enough, or could not cope with the demands of AFL football anymore.
There are 780ish AFL listed players last year
Indigenous players make up 9.48% of AFL lists in 2016
Fair to say there is no difference in rate of traction on an AFL list. Infact I could argue that the success rate is higher.
Perception is a funny thing.
So is burying the argument, as much of a fan as I was of Cedrick Collard’s career.
true, but I really dont want people to accuse me of inconsistency.
Cool. If you want to actually discuss it I’ll be at the bar with G and Matt Rendell.
Love the pic of Tippa, btw. Because you know how much of a detractor of his I’ve been over the journey.
I’m a fan of mcgrath because he is now a bomber but I reckon we picked the wrong mystery box and some of us will die a little death every time clug kills it.
I like mutch and begley could be anything. Ridley looks like a reach but time will tell.
Probably the least enthused I’ve felt about a draft class for 3 years but hopefully time will tell in our favour.
Again, this seems to be more knee jerk reaction to something that sounds bad, rather than an actual retort.
I’d like to hear one.
Honestly.
Ok, can I have a go.
Here is a list of guys who left AFL lists this year
Mitch Grigg (del)
Matthew Jaensch (ret)
Luke Lowden (del)
Keenan Ramsey (del)
Sam Shaw (ret)
Nathan van Berlo (ret)
Hugh Beasley (del)
Justin Clarke (ret)
Billy Evans (del)
Jaden McGrath (ret)
Josh McGuinness (del)
Daniel Merrett (ret)
Jackson Paine (del)
Josh Watts (del)
Trent West (ret)
Matthew ■■■■ (del)
Andrejs Everitt (ret)
Jayden Foster (del)
Andrew Gallucci (del)
Billy Gowers (del)
Michael Jamison (ret)
Ciaran Sheehan (del) Clem Smith (del)
Jason Tutt (del)
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow (del) Andrew Walker (ret)
Mark Whiley (del)
Cameron Wood (ret)
Nathan Brown (FA)
Corey Gault (ret)
Tim Golds (del)
Matthew Goodyear (del)
Brent Macaffer (ret)
Jonathon Marsh (ret)
Dane Swan (ret)
Alan Toovey (ret)
Darrean Wyatt (del)
Jason Ashby (del)
Adam Cooney (ret)
Ryan Crowley (del) Courtenay Dempsey (del)
Yestin Eades (del)
Shaun Edwards (del)
Nathan Grima (del)
Sam Grimley (del)
James Gwilt (del)
Will Hams (del)
Mark Jamar (del)
Nick Kommer (del)
Shaun McKernan (del)
Sam Michael (del)
Gach Nyuon (del)
Tayte Pears (ret)
James Polkinghorne (del)
Jonathan Simpkin (del) Mathew Stokes (ret)
Tom Wallis (del)
Matt de Boer (del)
Josh Deluca (del)
Brady Grey (del)
Jack Hannath (del)
Sean Hurley (del)
Chris Mayne (FA)
Anthony Morabito (del)
Tendai Mzungu (del)
Matthew Pavlich (ret)
Clancee Pearce (del)
Alex Silvagni (del)
Tanner Smith (del)
Jimmy Bartel (ret)
Zac Bates (del)
Mitch Clark (del)
Jock Cornell (del)
Cameron Delaney (del)
Corey Enright (ret)
Padraig Lucey (del)
Michael Luxford (del)
Tom Read (del)
Keegan Brooksby (del)
Clay Cameron (del) Jarrod Garlett (del)
Tom Keough (del)
Cameron Loersch (del)
Nick Malceski (ret)
Luke Russell (del)
Henry Schade (del)
Danny Stanley (del)
Seb Tape (del)
Jake Barrett (del)
Jack Fitzpatrick (del)
Lachlan Langford (del)
Angus Litherland (del)
Jermaine Miller-Lewis (del)
Shem-Kalvin Tatupu (ret)
Matt Spangher (del)
Zac Webster (del)
Alex Woodward (del)
Chris Dawes (del)
Jack Grimes (del)
Matt Jones (del)
Max King (del)
Viv Michie (del)
Ben Newton (del)
Dean Terlich (del)
Nick Dal Santo (ret)
Michael Firrito (ret)
Brent Harvey (ret)
Robin Nahas (del)
Brad McKenzie (del)
Drew Petrie (del)
Farren Ray (ret)
Joel Tippett (del)
John Butcher (del)
Alipate Carlile (ret)
Sam Colquhoun (del)
Kane Mitchell (del)
Cam O’Shea (del)
Jay Schulz (del)
Paul Stewart (del)
Troy Chaplin (ret)
Adam Marcon (del)
Liam McBean (del)
Reece McKenzie (ret)
Andrew Moore (del)
Ty Vickery (FA) Chris Yarran (del)
Tom Curren (del)
Luke Delaney (del)
Sam Fisher (ret)
Tom Lee (del)
Brodie Murdoch (del)
Brenton Payne (del)
Josh Saunders (del)
Cameron Shenton (del)
Eli Templeton (del)
Abaina Davis (del)
Tom Derickx (ret)
Kyle Galloway (del)
Jack Hiscox (del)
Ben McGlynn (ret)
Ted Richards (ret)
Xavier Richards (del)
Corey Adamson (del) Jamie Bennell (ret)
Mitch Brown (del)
Damien Cavka (ret)
Brant Colledge (del)
Xavier Ellis (ret)
Kane Lucas (del)
Patrick McGinnity (ret)
Fraser McInnes (del)
Alec Waterman (del)
Jed Adcock (ret)
Luke Goetz (del)
Will Minson (del)
Indigenous guys bolded
Now considering that that list is currently is 158 delisted and retirees
Of that list 9 are indigenous.
5.69% of players where not good enough, or could not cope with the demands of AFL football anymore.
There are 780ish AFL listed players last year
Indigenous players make up 9.48% of AFL lists in 2016
Fair to say there is no difference in rate of traction on an AFL list. Infact I could argue that the success rate is higher.
Perception is a funny thing.
So is burying the argument, as much of a fan as I was of Cedrick Collard’s career.
true, but I really dont want people to accuse me of inconsistency.
Cool. If you want to actually discuss it I’ll be at the bar with G and Matt Rendell.
Love the pic of Tippa, btw. Because you know how much of a detractor of his I’ve been over the journey.
I thought we were, but beer would make me more animated
Again, this seems to be more knee jerk reaction to something that sounds bad, rather than an actual retort.
I’d like to hear one.
Honestly.
Ok, can I have a go.
Here is a list of guys who left AFL lists this year
Mitch Grigg (del)
Matthew Jaensch (ret)
Luke Lowden (del)
Keenan Ramsey (del)
Sam Shaw (ret)
Nathan van Berlo (ret)
Hugh Beasley (del)
Justin Clarke (ret)
Billy Evans (del)
Jaden McGrath (ret)
Josh McGuinness (del)
Daniel Merrett (ret)
Jackson Paine (del)
Josh Watts (del)
Trent West (ret)
Matthew ■■■■ (del)
Andrejs Everitt (ret)
Jayden Foster (del)
Andrew Gallucci (del)
Billy Gowers (del)
Michael Jamison (ret)
Ciaran Sheehan (del) Clem Smith (del)
Jason Tutt (del)
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow (del) Andrew Walker (ret)
Mark Whiley (del)
Cameron Wood (ret)
Nathan Brown (FA)
Corey Gault (ret)
Tim Golds (del)
Matthew Goodyear (del)
Brent Macaffer (ret)
Jonathon Marsh (ret)
Dane Swan (ret)
Alan Toovey (ret)
Darrean Wyatt (del)
Jason Ashby (del)
Adam Cooney (ret)
Ryan Crowley (del) Courtenay Dempsey (del)
Yestin Eades (del)
Shaun Edwards (del)
Nathan Grima (del)
Sam Grimley (del)
James Gwilt (del)
Will Hams (del)
Mark Jamar (del)
Nick Kommer (del)
Shaun McKernan (del)
Sam Michael (del)
Gach Nyuon (del)
Tayte Pears (ret)
James Polkinghorne (del)
Jonathan Simpkin (del) Mathew Stokes (ret)
Tom Wallis (del)
Matt de Boer (del)
Josh Deluca (del)
Brady Grey (del)
Jack Hannath (del)
Sean Hurley (del)
Chris Mayne (FA)
Anthony Morabito (del)
Tendai Mzungu (del)
Matthew Pavlich (ret)
Clancee Pearce (del)
Alex Silvagni (del)
Tanner Smith (del)
Jimmy Bartel (ret)
Zac Bates (del)
Mitch Clark (del)
Jock Cornell (del)
Cameron Delaney (del)
Corey Enright (ret)
Padraig Lucey (del)
Michael Luxford (del)
Tom Read (del)
Keegan Brooksby (del)
Clay Cameron (del) Jarrod Garlett (del)
Tom Keough (del)
Cameron Loersch (del)
Nick Malceski (ret)
Luke Russell (del)
Henry Schade (del)
Danny Stanley (del)
Seb Tape (del)
Jake Barrett (del)
Jack Fitzpatrick (del)
Lachlan Langford (del)
Angus Litherland (del)
Jermaine Miller-Lewis (del)
Shem-Kalvin Tatupu (ret)
Matt Spangher (del)
Zac Webster (del)
Alex Woodward (del)
Chris Dawes (del)
Jack Grimes (del)
Matt Jones (del)
Max King (del)
Viv Michie (del)
Ben Newton (del)
Dean Terlich (del)
Nick Dal Santo (ret)
Michael Firrito (ret)
Brent Harvey (ret)
Robin Nahas (del)
Brad McKenzie (del)
Drew Petrie (del)
Farren Ray (ret)
Joel Tippett (del)
John Butcher (del)
Alipate Carlile (ret)
Sam Colquhoun (del)
Kane Mitchell (del)
Cam O’Shea (del)
Jay Schulz (del)
Paul Stewart (del)
Troy Chaplin (ret)
Adam Marcon (del)
Liam McBean (del)
Reece McKenzie (ret)
Andrew Moore (del)
Ty Vickery (FA) Chris Yarran (del)
Tom Curren (del)
Luke Delaney (del)
Sam Fisher (ret)
Tom Lee (del)
Brodie Murdoch (del)
Brenton Payne (del)
Josh Saunders (del)
Cameron Shenton (del)
Eli Templeton (del)
Abaina Davis (del)
Tom Derickx (ret)
Kyle Galloway (del)
Jack Hiscox (del)
Ben McGlynn (ret)
Ted Richards (ret)
Xavier Richards (del)
Corey Adamson (del) Jamie Bennell (ret)
Mitch Brown (del)
Damien Cavka (ret)
Brant Colledge (del)
Xavier Ellis (ret)
Kane Lucas (del)
Patrick McGinnity (ret)
Fraser McInnes (del)
Alec Waterman (del)
Jed Adcock (ret)
Luke Goetz (del)
Will Minson (del)
Indigenous guys bolded
Now considering that that list is currently is 158 delisted and retirees
Of that list 9 are indigenous.
5.69% of players where not good enough, or could not cope with the demands of AFL football anymore.
There are 780ish AFL listed players last year
Indigenous players make up 9.48% of AFL lists in 2016
Fair to say there is no difference in rate of traction on an AFL list. Infact I could argue that the success rate is higher.
Perception is a funny thing.
So is burying the argument, as much of a fan as I was of Cedrick Collard’s career.
true, but I really dont want people to accuse me of inconsistency.
Cool. If you want to actually discuss it I’ll be at the bar with G and Matt Rendell.
Love the pic of Tippa, btw. Because you know how much of a detractor of his I’ve been over the journey.
I thought we were, but beer would make me more animated
Nah, I’m pretty disappointed with the creator of the category benfti list, to be honest.
If you can’t ask questions regarding race about issues regarding race without being called racist, then, you know, ■■■■ it.
Loved your picture and list of aboriginal players though.
Incisive.
Brett Anderson Twitter
Even taking McGrath out of it, in baseball terms Essendon went 4 for 4 with 4 HRs in #AFLDraft. Ridley, Begley, Mutch, Clarke. #superb
I think our draft is making more sense to some ‘experts’ with a day or two to mull over what we did, rather than react to an apparent lack of razzle dazzle.
Again, this seems to be more knee jerk reaction to something that sounds bad, rather than an actual retort.
I’d like to hear one.
Honestly.
Ok, can I have a go.
Here is a list of guys who left AFL lists this year
Mitch Grigg (del)
Matthew Jaensch (ret)
Luke Lowden (del)
Keenan Ramsey (del)
Sam Shaw (ret)
Nathan van Berlo (ret)
Hugh Beasley (del)
Justin Clarke (ret)
Billy Evans (del)
Jaden McGrath (ret)
Josh McGuinness (del)
Daniel Merrett (ret)
Jackson Paine (del)
Josh Watts (del)
Trent West (ret)
Matthew ■■■■ (del)
Andrejs Everitt (ret)
Jayden Foster (del)
Andrew Gallucci (del)
Billy Gowers (del)
Michael Jamison (ret)
Ciaran Sheehan (del) Clem Smith (del)
Jason Tutt (del)
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow (del) Andrew Walker (ret)
Mark Whiley (del)
Cameron Wood (ret)
Nathan Brown (FA)
Corey Gault (ret)
Tim Golds (del)
Matthew Goodyear (del)
Brent Macaffer (ret)
Jonathon Marsh (ret)
Dane Swan (ret)
Alan Toovey (ret)
Darrean Wyatt (del)
Jason Ashby (del)
Adam Cooney (ret)
Ryan Crowley (del) Courtenay Dempsey (del)
Yestin Eades (del)
Shaun Edwards (del)
Nathan Grima (del)
Sam Grimley (del)
James Gwilt (del)
Will Hams (del)
Mark Jamar (del)
Nick Kommer (del)
Shaun McKernan (del)
Sam Michael (del)
Gach Nyuon (del)
Tayte Pears (ret)
James Polkinghorne (del)
Jonathan Simpkin (del) Mathew Stokes (ret)
Tom Wallis (del)
Matt de Boer (del)
Josh Deluca (del)
Brady Grey (del)
Jack Hannath (del)
Sean Hurley (del)
Chris Mayne (FA)
Anthony Morabito (del)
Tendai Mzungu (del)
Matthew Pavlich (ret)
Clancee Pearce (del)
Alex Silvagni (del)
Tanner Smith (del)
Jimmy Bartel (ret)
Zac Bates (del)
Mitch Clark (del)
Jock Cornell (del)
Cameron Delaney (del)
Corey Enright (ret)
Padraig Lucey (del)
Michael Luxford (del)
Tom Read (del)
Keegan Brooksby (del)
Clay Cameron (del) Jarrod Garlett (del)
Tom Keough (del)
Cameron Loersch (del)
Nick Malceski (ret)
Luke Russell (del)
Henry Schade (del)
Danny Stanley (del)
Seb Tape (del)
Jake Barrett (del)
Jack Fitzpatrick (del)
Lachlan Langford (del)
Angus Litherland (del)
Jermaine Miller-Lewis (del)
Shem-Kalvin Tatupu (ret)
Matt Spangher (del)
Zac Webster (del)
Alex Woodward (del)
Chris Dawes (del)
Jack Grimes (del)
Matt Jones (del)
Max King (del)
Viv Michie (del)
Ben Newton (del)
Dean Terlich (del)
Nick Dal Santo (ret)
Michael Firrito (ret)
Brent Harvey (ret)
Robin Nahas (del)
Brad McKenzie (del)
Drew Petrie (del)
Farren Ray (ret)
Joel Tippett (del)
John Butcher (del)
Alipate Carlile (ret)
Sam Colquhoun (del)
Kane Mitchell (del)
Cam O’Shea (del)
Jay Schulz (del)
Paul Stewart (del)
Troy Chaplin (ret)
Adam Marcon (del)
Liam McBean (del)
Reece McKenzie (ret)
Andrew Moore (del)
Ty Vickery (FA) Chris Yarran (del)
Tom Curren (del)
Luke Delaney (del)
Sam Fisher (ret)
Tom Lee (del)
Brodie Murdoch (del)
Brenton Payne (del)
Josh Saunders (del)
Cameron Shenton (del)
Eli Templeton (del)
Abaina Davis (del)
Tom Derickx (ret)
Kyle Galloway (del)
Jack Hiscox (del)
Ben McGlynn (ret)
Ted Richards (ret)
Xavier Richards (del)
Corey Adamson (del) Jamie Bennell (ret)
Mitch Brown (del)
Damien Cavka (ret)
Brant Colledge (del)
Xavier Ellis (ret)
Kane Lucas (del)
Patrick McGinnity (ret)
Fraser McInnes (del)
Alec Waterman (del)
Jed Adcock (ret)
Luke Goetz (del)
Will Minson (del)
Indigenous guys bolded
Now considering that that list is currently is 158 delisted and retirees
Of that list 9 are indigenous.
5.69% of players where not good enough, or could not cope with the demands of AFL football anymore.
There are 780ish AFL listed players last year
Indigenous players make up 9.48% of AFL lists in 2016
Fair to say there is no difference in rate of traction on an AFL list. Infact I could argue that the success rate is higher.
Perception is a funny thing.
So is burying the argument, as much of a fan as I was of Cedrick Collard’s career.
true, but I really dont want people to accuse me of inconsistency.
Cool. If you want to actually discuss it I’ll be at the bar with G and Matt Rendell.
Love the pic of Tippa, btw. Because you know how much of a detractor of his I’ve been over the journey.
I thought we were, but beer would make me more animated
Nah, I’m pretty disappointed with the creator of the category benfti list, to be honest.
If you can’t ask questions regarding race about issues regarding race without being called racist, then, you know, ■■■■ it.
Loved your picture and list of aboriginal players though.
Incisive.
Cherry picking 6 failed indigenous players with condescending captions to make a flawed point and putting forth a straw man argument is not “asking questions regarding race”, it is attempting to subtly push an agenda, which in this case seems to have racist roots.
So yeah how about this, if you want to have a discussion without being called racist, then, you know, don’t come to the argument with a racist agenda
Loved your condescension and lack of any real argument though.
Brave.
I think our draft is making more sense to some 'experts' with a day or two to mull over what we did, rather than react to an apparent lack of razzle dazzle.
pretty much, that same journo messaged me after the 4th saying we were screwing it.
Im not a draft expert, but all the draft experts rate our crop.
Im not sure were the pace issue comes from (I do, its just Ben being Ben), but given we added McGrath, have Zaka, Raz,Trav, Walla, Morgan, Redman, Zerret, connor, Jack Merret, Marty, Bags, laverde, langford, long, parish, francis, etc, and our key forward (Joe) is a better runner and line breaker than half the mids in the comp. Both guys last year Morgan and Redman are described specifically line breaking midfielders with great pace, Morgan was the fasted in testing at one stage.
You may not like the picks but to say we haven’t got pace just looking for a new way to say we lack of "excitement machines’ we aren’t exactly as slow as say Hawthorn, look at bulldogs their run came from Joahanasen, who Jackets tried to get hard in the Crameri deal funnily enough.
All the picks like they were picked at a much lower then were they were rated on most pre draft assessments, making them look like very good picks, expect Ridley who sounds an awful lot like Ariel Steinberg aka the 4th Hemsworth brother. MK.2
Think you went a bit overboard with the list of quick players. Lav, langford and bags aren’t particularly quick and wouldn’t list them as line breakers either.
Think you went a bit overboard with the list of quick players. Lav, langford and bags aren't particularly quick and wouldn't list them as line breakers either.
They aint slow and saying colyer, Raz and Walla are the only players with pace is just not correct. How many teams have “line breakers” en mass?
Our pace looks fine and looks like thats what last years draft was looking to add, and we added the number 1 line breaker in this draft with the number 1 pick.
Im not a draft expert, but all the draft experts rate our crop.
Im not sure were the pace issue comes from (I do, its just Ben being Ben), but given we added McGrath, have Zaka, Raz,Trav, Walla, Morgan, Redman, Zerret, connor, Jack Merret, Marty, Bags, laverde, langford, long, parish, francis, etc, and our key forward (Joe) is a better runner and line breaker than half the mids in the comp. Both guys last year Morgan and Redman are described specifically line breaking midfielders with great pace, Morgan was the fasted in testing at one stage.
You may not like the picks but to say we haven’t got pace just looking for a new way to say we lack of "excitement machines’ we aren’t exactly as slow as say Hawthorn, look at bulldogs their run came from Joahanasen, who Jackets tried to get hard in the Crameri deal funnily enough.
All the picks like they were picked at a much lower then were they were rated on most pre draft assessments, making them look like very good picks, expect Ridley who sounds an awful lot like Ariel Steinberg aka the 4th Hemsworth brother. MK.2
I would only rate Raz, Walla, Trav and Morgan as elite pace. McGrath tests like he has it. The rest are just solid runners, I think/thought we needed one more mongoose.