What is English for Duds? Is that ESL?
If we want to have better teachers again we should allow teachers to hand out punishment without fear of retribution from the kids with regards to suing and such. I'm not talking about capital punishment either.
I'm also not a fan of the graduate teacher who has no other life experience except, year 12, uni, then is a teacher.
Capital punishment in schools would definately make things more interesting.
It might teach you how to spell definitely.
2 Things:
1. This thread reminded me that literally until about a year ago I thought it was "rope learning". As in, grab a rope and just pull left hand, right hand, left hand, right hand, repeat, step by step, going through a long process until you get to the end? Lolza.
2. When I was in y12 (4 yrs ago) we were told to get a good WACE score we should be aiming for 2.5/3 hrs a night. I reckon I averaged 20 minutes if I was lucky, obviously spiked sometimes when assignments were due but fk me that's 13 hrs a week (assuming weekends are all one day) x 30 odd weeks = almost 400 hrs of "homestudy" (cos even if you didn't have work you'd have to study). I reckon I did 30 over the course of the year. Though I did spend the 4 weeks before finals doing 6/7 hr days of solid study, 5 or 6 days a week which was unbelievably taxing.
What is English for Duds? Is that ESL?
:lol: No, it was like normal pre-tertiary English, but at a lower level where nobody knew the difference between "your" and "you're", or how to use apostrophes. "English for duds" is perhaps a bit harsh... I was in rant mode and got carried away.
I'd suggest it's probably what first year Uni students should be made do just to be sure they have a clue.
I'd suggest it's probably what first year Uni students should be made do just to be sure they have a clue.
I'd suggest it's probably what first year Uni students anybody who wants to communicate in the English language, and certainly anyone who joins Blitz should be made do just to be sure they have a clue. I'll grant an exception in SMS messaging...only if they're messaging.
In HAP's defence I jumped the wrong way too initially. I was puzzling over it, but thanks to AN I grabbed the true intent.He's following me around the board doing this in various threads AN. The little fella has a bee in it's bonnet about something.
Neither did Reboot, He was just emphasising the point that you had to show meticulous reasoning for every step, rather than deriding calculators. It was more saying rote learning was useless at that level.
Where does this assumption that you don't have to show working, and everything is done on calculator come from?
Not the case AFAIK, nor did HM say anything like that.
He's currently relaxing in Hawaii
My brother only finished year 12 last year (there is a 12 year gap between us) and I reckon high school is too much crap. Students basically get to dictate subjects and do work in 'fields they are interested in' and stuff like that. Sure they need to learn how to learn, but I don't think that's what primary and secondary school should be all about. Year 12 only just straightens them out but it should be spread further along.
On that point, I think the main problem in my experiences was that the workload is way too small until year 11. Rather than build it up gradually, they expect everyone to take a massive leap.
Which is normal for the rest of the world...My high school expected 3 hours of homework performed each night by each student.
Yeah... right.
All they do is throw around stupid fkn buzzwords like "engaging with the broader curriculum" and "kids need to have fun to learn." They do that for so long that we hardly got any homework until the last few years. Then they start dumping tonnes of work on you. A lot of sudents struggled a lot with time management in later years because they never had to manage their time before.
I did the french curriculum until year 7 (i.e. what kids in France do) and it was vastly different to australian schooling. There was none of the "kids need to have fun" bullshit and the homework just gradually built up each year. That way it wasn't a shock when we were expected to do an hour or so per night by the start of high school.
Personally I think the whole philosophy of playing games and wanting everyone to have fun at school until year 10 or 11 is a bit silly.
On the flip side though I really dislike how they make the end of year 12 as 'the end of your life if you don't succeed'. This is truly despised by me.
■■■ yes for the last part. Then you've got the "careers person" advising 15-16 yr old children about their future. Fark off. I remember my "meeting" went like this;
Careers person: what do you like?
Typical uninspired me: I dunno, French?
CP: ok you have to score this so you can do French at Melbourne, they don't do it here, there blah blah....
Then of course I didn't get said score (was too uninspired at school), but fortunately I'm not a pannicker and went about things in a different manner. For some other poor bugger however, they would've felt destroyed. Did this woman say "this is a small school, subjects are limited. Uni is massive, it doesn't matter if you don't like your course etc", of course not.... Its these stupid people who help create this environment, used to **** me to no end when people insisted that I had to do a particular degree because I had to know what I'd do as an adult....
Turns out no one takes you seriously when you say you want to be an astronaut. They're advice was to pick the highest maths possible and all the hard science classes. They don't prepare you for how hard that ■■■■ is before VCE. It was the biggest shock I've ever had in my life. I ended up hating school (except Maths and Chem) and almost flunked year 12 the whole time being told I was going great btw. Got a job bagging groceries and stacking shelves and now I work in an office scheduling steel reinforcment. Thank you Mr Career Person. Great help.
Time over again I'd drop out after year 11 and be a sparky.
My brother only finished year 12 last year (there is a 12 year gap between us) and I reckon high school is too much crap. Students basically get to dictate subjects and do work in 'fields they are interested in' and stuff like that. Sure they need to learn how to learn, but I don't think that's what primary and secondary school should be all about. Year 12 only just straightens them out but it should be spread further along.
On that point, I think the main problem in my experiences was that the workload is way too small until year 11. Rather than build it up gradually, they expect everyone to take a massive leap.
Which is normal for the rest of the world...My high school expected 3 hours of homework performed each night by each student.
Yeah... right.
All they do is throw around stupid fkn buzzwords like "engaging with the broader curriculum" and "kids need to have fun to learn." They do that for so long that we hardly got any homework until the last few years. Then they start dumping tonnes of work on you. A lot of sudents struggled a lot with time management in later years because they never had to manage their time before.
I did the french curriculum until year 7 (i.e. what kids in France do) and it was vastly different to australian schooling. There was none of the "kids need to have fun" bullshit and the homework just gradually built up each year. That way it wasn't a shock when we were expected to do an hour or so per night by the start of high school.
Personally I think the whole philosophy of playing games and wanting everyone to have fun at school until year 10 or 11 is a bit silly.
On the flip side though I really dislike how they make the end of year 12 as 'the end of your life if you don't succeed'. This is truly despised by me.
■■■ yes for the last part. Then you've got the "careers person" advising 15-16 yr old children about their future. Fark off. I remember my "meeting" went like this;
Careers person: what do you like?
Typical uninspired me: I dunno, French?
CP: ok you have to score this so you can do French at Melbourne, they don't do it here, there blah blah....
Then of course I didn't get said score (was too uninspired at school), but fortunately I'm not a pannicker and went about things in a different manner. For some other poor bugger however, they would've felt destroyed. Did this woman say "this is a small school, subjects are limited. Uni is massive, it doesn't matter if you don't like your course etc", of course not.... Its these stupid people who help create this environment, used to **** me to no end when people insisted that I had to do a particular degree because I had to know what I'd do as an adult....
Turns out no one takes you seriously when you say you want to be an astronaut. They're advice was to pick the highest maths possible and all the hard science classes. They don't prepare you for how hard that **** is before VCE. It was the biggest shock I've ever had in my life. I ended up hating school (except Maths and Chem) and almost flunked year 12 the whole time being told I was going great btw. Got a job bagging groceries and stacking shelves and now I work in an office scheduling steel reinforcment. Thank you Mr Career Person. Great help.
Time over again I'd drop out after year 11 and be a sparky.
I'd probably change 1/2 my subjects too. I did english, math methods, specialist maths, chemistry, physics and for the 6th subject in year 11, accounting.
I think the biggest shock to my brother was how dramatically the classes changed between 10 and 11. But then the school did odd things too like teach maths in male / female classes (separated, can't think what it's called when you do that).
My brother only finished year 12 last year (there is a 12 year gap between us) and I reckon high school is too much crap. Students basically get to dictate subjects and do work in 'fields they are interested in' and stuff like that. Sure they need to learn how to learn, but I don't think that's what primary and secondary school should be all about. Year 12 only just straightens them out but it should be spread further along.
On that point, I think the main problem in my experiences was that the workload is way too small until year 11. Rather than build it up gradually, they expect everyone to take a massive leap.
Which is normal for the rest of the world...My high school expected 3 hours of homework performed each night by each student.
Yeah... right.
All they do is throw around stupid fkn buzzwords like "engaging with the broader curriculum" and "kids need to have fun to learn." They do that for so long that we hardly got any homework until the last few years. Then they start dumping tonnes of work on you. A lot of sudents struggled a lot with time management in later years because they never had to manage their time before.
I did the french curriculum until year 7 (i.e. what kids in France do) and it was vastly different to australian schooling. There was none of the "kids need to have fun" bullshit and the homework just gradually built up each year. That way it wasn't a shock when we were expected to do an hour or so per night by the start of high school.
Personally I think the whole philosophy of playing games and wanting everyone to have fun at school until year 10 or 11 is a bit silly.
On the flip side though I really dislike how they make the end of year 12 as 'the end of your life if you don't succeed'. This is truly despised by me.
■■■ yes for the last part. Then you've got the "careers person" advising 15-16 yr old children about their future. Fark off. I remember my "meeting" went like this;
Careers person: what do you like?
Typical uninspired me: I dunno, French?
CP: ok you have to score this so you can do French at Melbourne, they don't do it here, there blah blah....
Then of course I didn't get said score (was too uninspired at school), but fortunately I'm not a pannicker and went about things in a different manner. For some other poor bugger however, they would've felt destroyed. Did this woman say "this is a small school, subjects are limited. Uni is massive, it doesn't matter if you don't like your course etc", of course not.... Its these stupid people who help create this environment, used to **** me to no end when people insisted that I had to do a particular degree because I had to know what I'd do as an adult....
Turns out no one takes you seriously when you say you want to be an astronaut. They're advice was to pick the highest maths possible and all the hard science classes. They don't prepare you for how hard that **** is before VCE. It was the biggest shock I've ever had in my life. I ended up hating school (except Maths and Chem) and almost flunked year 12 the whole time being told I was going great btw. Got a job bagging groceries and stacking shelves and now I work in an office scheduling steel reinforcment. Thank you Mr Career Person. Great help.
Time over again I'd drop out after year 11 and be a sparky.
I'd probably change 1/2 my subjects too. I did english, math methods, specialist maths, chemistry, physics and for the 6th subject in year 11, accounting.
I think the biggest shock to my brother was how dramatically the classes changed between 10 and 11. But then the school did odd things too like teach maths in male / female classes (separated, can't think what it's called when you do that).
Did they do it only for maths? Thats bizzare if they only did it for one subject.
I dare say that most of the girls in my year 12 maths class were happy that they weren't in a female only class. Our teacher spent way too much time hitting on them.
No story by Rita Panahi should get its own thread.
This rhetoric that teachers are there as a last resort is insulting to say the least. She offers no real ways to improve the education system.
I am sick of this argument that pay should be based on performance when there are so many indicators. America has tried this type of system in some states and it failed...why? Teachers would give kids answers to questions on tests, they would boost scores on bad papers...why? To increase there pay or protect it. Schools want to keep getting funding.
A pay scheme like that won't make teachers better it will just make teaching an occupation that nobody wants to do. Smaller class rooms (The bigger the class the harder it is for a teacher to give each student the individual attention they need), changes in curriculum (What are we teaching? Are we teaching kids to follow order and rules or to question?), the way teachers teach (Are they actually reaching the kids? Are they being inspired to learn?).
I know for sure my life would be better if I got more indivdual attention and some guidance. Instead I left highschool with no real idea on what I wanted to do or be.
Articles like this are just another kick ion the guts to my faith in this planet.
I'd suggest it's probably what first year Uni students should be made do just to be sure they have a clue.
I'd suggest it's probably what
first year Uni studentsanybody who wants to communicate in the English language, and certainly anyone who joins Blitz should be made do just to be sure they have a clue. I'll grant an exception in SMS messaging...only if they're messaging.
Believe me, the acceptable standard for this class was well below what should have been tolerated.
The calculator bit was a red herring then, that came across as the main gist of the post.Neither did Reboot, He was just emphasising the point that you had to show meticulous reasoning for every step, rather than deriding calculators. It was more saying rote learning was useless at that level.
Where does this assumption that you don't have to show working, and everything is done on calculator come from?
Not the case AFAIK, nor did HM say anything like that.
Sorry it threw me boot.
And I'm marking this on the calendar - looking at bobo's post you were wrong about something.
My "meeting" went like thisMy brother only finished year 12 last year (there is a 12 year gap between us) and I reckon high school is too much crap. Students basically get to dictate subjects and do work in 'fields they are interested in' and stuff like that. Sure they need to learn how to learn, but I don't think that's what primary and secondary school should be all about. Year 12 only just straightens them out but it should be spread further along.On that point, I think the main problem in my experiences was that the workload is way too small until year 11. Rather than build it up gradually, they expect everyone to take a massive leap.Which is normal for the rest of the world...My high school expected 3 hours of homework performed each night by each student.
Yeah... right.
All they do is throw around stupid fkn buzzwords like "engaging with the broader curriculum" and "kids need to have fun to learn." They do that for so long that we hardly got any homework until the last few years. Then they start dumping tonnes of work on you. A lot of sudents struggled a lot with time management in later years because they never had to manage their time before.
I did the french curriculum until year 7 (i.e. what kids in France do) and it was vastly different to australian schooling. There was none of the "kids need to have fun" bullshit and the homework just gradually built up each year. That way it wasn't a shock when we were expected to do an hour or so per night by the start of high school.
Personally I think the whole philosophy of playing games and wanting everyone to have fun at school until year 10 or 11 is a bit silly.
On the flip side though I really dislike how they make the end of year 12 as 'the end of your life if you don't succeed'. This is truly despised by me.
■■■ yes for the last part. Then you've got the "careers person" advising 15-16 yr old children about their future. Fark off. I remember my "meeting" went like this;
Careers person: what do you like?
Typical uninspired me: I dunno, French?
CP: ok you have to score this so you can do French at Melbourne, they don't do it here, there blah blah....
Then of course I didn't get said score (was too uninspired at school), but fortunately I'm not a pannicker and went about things in a different manner. For some other poor bugger however, they would've felt destroyed. Did this woman say "this is a small school, subjects are limited. Uni is massive, it doesn't matter if you don't like your course etc", of course not.... Its these stupid people who help create this environment, used to **** me to no end when people insisted that I had to do a particular degree because I had to know what I'd do as an adult....
Me: "I want to be a dietitian, the courses are at Deakin and Monash, I need to be doing Chemistry which I am . Biology will also get me bonus so I'm doing that too"
Careers advisor "oh, I didn't know Monash had a course"
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Yeah they're useless. Hearing stories like yours still ■■■■■ me. I have armed my sister (who now at 15 is at "career age"), with the ability to say to everyone that it doesn't matter if you don't get said score, there's so much stuff you can do at uni. Although knowing her she'll probably crack the ■■■■■ at the "career advisor". I should've said at my meeting I like bubbles or something irrelevant.My "meeting" went like this■■■ yes for the last part. Then you've got the "careers person" advising 15-16 yr old children about their future. Fark off. I remember my "meeting" went like this;My brother only finished year 12 last year (there is a 12 year gap between us) and I reckon high school is too much crap. Students basically get to dictate subjects and do work in 'fields they are interested in' and stuff like that. Sure they need to learn how to learn, but I don't think that's what primary and secondary school should be all about. Year 12 only just straightens them out but it should be spread further along.On that point, I think the main problem in my experiences was that the workload is way too small until year 11. Rather than build it up gradually, they expect everyone to take a massive leap.Which is normal for the rest of the world...My high school expected 3 hours of homework performed each night by each student.
Yeah... right.
All they do is throw around stupid fkn buzzwords like "engaging with the broader curriculum" and "kids need to have fun to learn." They do that for so long that we hardly got any homework until the last few years. Then they start dumping tonnes of work on you. A lot of sudents struggled a lot with time management in later years because they never had to manage their time before.
I did the french curriculum until year 7 (i.e. what kids in France do) and it was vastly different to australian schooling. There was none of the "kids need to have fun" bullshit and the homework just gradually built up each year. That way it wasn't a shock when we were expected to do an hour or so per night by the start of high school.
Personally I think the whole philosophy of playing games and wanting everyone to have fun at school until year 10 or 11 is a bit silly.
On the flip side though I really dislike how they make the end of year 12 as 'the end of your life if you don't succeed'. This is truly despised by me.
Careers person: what do you like?
Typical uninspired me: I dunno, French?
CP: ok you have to score this so you can do French at Melbourne, they don't do it here, there blah blah....
Then of course I didn't get said score (was too uninspired at school), but fortunately I'm not a pannicker and went about things in a different manner. For some other poor bugger however, they would've felt destroyed. Did this woman say "this is a small school, subjects are limited. Uni is massive, it doesn't matter if you don't like your course etc", of course not.... Its these stupid people who help create this environment, used to **** me to no end when people insisted that I had to do a particular degree because I had to know what I'd do as an adult....
Me: "I want to be a dietitian, the courses are at Deakin and Monash, I need to be doing Chemistry which I am . Biology will also get me bonus so I'm doing that too"
Careers advisor "oh, I didn't know Monash had a course"
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Question for the more educated amongst you (see what I did there?)
This year I started a Bachelor degreee and took on 4 subjects as I’d get Austudy for being full time.
I’m now at week 7 (of up to 104) and have come to the realisation I’m far more likely to have a complete mental breakdown than get through the 104 weeks even if I dropped down to 3 subjects. I’d considered doing 2, even 1, subjects next trimester but financially it’s not viable as there’s not enough subjects I can do after hours.
Now, I can do an advanced diploma in the same field a couple of nights a week at another school and I know the workload is going to be fair less (it’d be 6 hours on campus plus maybe 2-3 at home vs my current 13 and about 40) plus I can go back to full time work during the day.
My question is - I will get credits if I go back to do the Bachelor (likely one subject a trimester) but what should I do in regards to my enrolment where I’m doing my Bachelor? Should I defer for the time being then try and work out credits when I go back? Or will I need to withdraw entirely then re-enrol?
Im not sure TBH mate. What Uni are you at to cause you having those feelings.
I reckon you should check this one with the Uni you’re at. Different uni’s except different prerequisites. I would say you can’t bring in prerequisites once you have already enrolled into a course and then just knock those subject off. But definitely check with the uni Guidance counsellor.
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It’s not so much the uni (well, it’s not the uni at all apart from them not having enough night classes).