Elections in Europe in 2017


#161

Agreed. A referendum on something of that magnitude should perhaps require a 2/3rds majority to pass.


#162

Yes and no. I think a straight majority is ok, but only if the entire voting population HAS to cast an opinion.

As it stands, no one can really state the nations opinion, more that more than a 1/4 didnt give a stuff enough to vote.


#163

That’s a big call…


#164

Bit of a reach to say Corbyn loves terrorists.

He supports Palestine, as do many from all walks of life, and supported Sinn Fein, once the IRA had put down their guns. And I would be much happier with a Leader who has a strong dislike for Nuclear weapons, than I am with the current Leader of the Free World.

Corbyn doing OK, makes me think that a socialist dream is not dead. In any case, actually read his policies and you may actually agree with many, as they are socially responsible and ecnomically viable.

Never happen here though, too many conservatives like you, and nutmegs like Le Tripper.


#165

Thoughts from brother-in-law in UK.

Farron (LDP) has declared that he will not be part of any coalition.

The DUP are rabidly Brexit and as such may side with the Tories!

The SNP desire for another independence vote probably decimated their GE vote.

Sinn Fein will refuse to deal with any english government on principal as usual.

The terrorist attacks hurt May big time. Police cutbacks front and centre.

He bemoans the return to an essentially two-party vote. “Just another panic vote to compound the panic vote re EU which was itself a panic move from Cameron. Westminster will thrash out some idiotic compromise that serves no ones interest. We’re stuffed for ages”


#166

Not the way I would have put it, … if I was inclined to bother with the ridiculous.


#167

Yeah but these ones are white so who cares.

As for may. Lol. Great call to make.


#168

Strange election, in the end they saw through May’s opportunism and arrogance in trying to boost her majority

UK people sick of voting

2014 Euro elections
2015 UK election
2016 Brexit election

and now another one in 2017

Question is now is how long before Boris Johnson takes over … this year or in a few years time

Unlikely a 73 year old Corbyn will be around for the next election in 2022 so that election will be a whole new dynamic and the UK would’ve left the EU by then

Corbynistas might be jacking off today but reality is Labour still lost by a big margin (equalled their 2010 result) and will still have to make up 60 plus seats next time around, in an election which Antony Green says will be much tougher for Labour as the current Gerrymandered boundaries which favour them currently won’t be in effect


#169

Any country that gets itself in a position where an absolute slimy terd like Boris Johnson weasels it’s way into the top job deserves what it gets.


#170

A lot of activity here overnight. Here are my thoughts, trying to cover as much ground as I can.

@DonMania both major parties campaigned that they proceed with Brexit. The Liberal Democrats were the main party that was looking to backtrack on Brexit and their vote fell. There is no prospect of stopping Brexit unless something extraordinary happens in the next six months. More on that later.

@IceTemple some people have answered this, but Theresa May was looking to get a mandate for what she called a “Hard Brexit” which basically means becoming a country completely outside the EU. The public were told that it would be a vote around the kind of relationship the country would have with Europe going forward. As others have said, it’s likely she was also looking to capitalize on the perceived weakness of other parties. The “terrorist lover” line is very right-wing and rebutted by @Bacchusfox below. If you want to play the man (Corbyn) and not the ball (Policy) then I don’t have the time or interest in participating in what tends to be a race to see who can google the most articles that support their pre-existing views. In any case, he is not in charge yet and is unlikely to become Prime Minister.

@simmo41 Perhaps there is a lesson in this for Australian politics. If the major parties adopt the policies of One Nation then One Nation may disappear. Watch this space.

@BLOODSTAINED_DEVILS Things are moving quickly. Most conservatives have closed ranks and aren’t speaking to the media. There were some interesting thoughts put forward this morning on radio that I think bear repeating. One of the reasons May called the elections was to get herself a mandate for her government. If she were replaced as leader, the new leader would find themselves in the same situation Theresa May was in six months ago and if the same logic were applied, would call another election to get themselves a mandate. Nobody wants that. Theresa May is said to be determined to stay on and I think the party will rally behind her.

@saladin you’re right, we wake to a hung parliament, with nobody ‘in charge’. Protocol is that Theresa May will visit the Queen at some point today and inform her of how she intends to form a government. A coalition with the DUP is most likely. A lot of the buzz this morning is around the youth turnout and how that is shifting voting patterns. The youth have come out as generally pro-Corbyn, in urban areas and towns where there are Universities. Also I’m not sure if you’re aware, but while Sinn Fein stand for election they refuse to sit in the Parliament in Westminster and it’s been that way for basically 100 years. In fact the first woman elected to Parliament was a member of Sinn Fein and thus never sat in Parliament.

If the Conservatives fail to form a Coalition Government, Labour has stated that they would attempt to form a Minority Government and would ask for the minor parties to pass their legislation which would be extraordinary (understatement?). The LDP have learned that a coalition with the Tories won’t work for them, hurt them too much last time. SNP vote actually not all bad, yes they lost some seats, but they still won the majority of Scottish seats. They did so well last time (56/59 seats) that this result feels like a big loss (35/59).

@anon53387714 I think that Theresa May’s actions around Trump have hurt her. First she rushed to befriend him at the start of the year, then she failed to denounce his political point scoring over the London Bridge terror attacks. She merely said his comments were disappointing which, to borrow a line I heard at the time, is something you might say about a Souffle that failed to rise.

@Bullwinkle I wouldn’t write Corbyn off yet although given the tone of your comment it seems clear you don’t like him. This election feels like a win for Labour and with the Conservatives in disarray there is the very real prospect that we’ll see another election within the next 18 months because the government, thanks to Theresa May, now has a weak negotiating position for Brexit. People don’t care about how this election compares to 2010, or Gerrymandered boundaries, or other political point scoring. They care about their own futures and most just want whoever is on government to get their ■■■■ together.

@Reboot Boris Johnson is a very divisive figure here and I think it’s unlikely that he’ll be considered for a PM role any time soon.

I know this is probably just a throw-away line that maybe seems right because only the highlights (and lowlights) tend to travel around the globe. Unfortunately there is an obsession with gotcha moments and nasty memes that has taken over how people talk about politics. If you only look at the surface, the veneer, the gotcha moments and memes, then yes, it’s a pretty sorry bunch. I hear a lot of politicians on the radio every day and some of them are excellent. I think whether or not I’ve agreed with their policies, May, Corbyn and Cameron have all been flawed, but decent leaders. The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has been outstanding since taking office.


#171

He has publicly stated that he was friends with Hamas and Hezbollah (of which he has now backtracked), laid a wreath on the grave of a terrorists who killed innocent Israeli Olympic games attendees, called for Hamas to be removed Britain’s list of banned terror groups in 2009, attended and spoke at a rally for banned terrorist group Al-Muhajiroun, called Bin Laden’s death a tragedy, is very good friends with Ibrahim Hewitt the head of a banned terrorist organisation who compared homosexuals to pedophiles. I could go on about the amount of money he has received from Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran.

It is not made up news, it is quite factual and quite well known. The man is sympathetic to terrorists. Maybe naively so but it is factual.

Also he supported the IRA long before they put down the bombs.


#172

Corbyn:

“Tomorrow evening it will be my pleasure and my honour to host an event in parliament where our friends from Hezbollah will be speaking. And I’ve also invited friends from Hamas to come and speak as well. The idea that [Hamas] should be labelled as a terrorist organisation by the British government is really a big, big historical mistake and I would invite the government to reconsider its position on this matter and start talking directly to Hamas and Hezbollah.”


#173

Hmm, well IT in my view you mistake supporting the causes of organizations with supporting their actions.

I support a free independent nation of Palestine built on border sof prior to 1967. I do not condone Hamas and Hezbollah actions, but I understand them. Have always and will always fully support IRA cause and actions.

Guess I must be like Corbyn then.


#174

Do you speak at Hamas, Hezbollah and Iranian events that call for the total destruction of Israel? Do you lay wreaths on the graves of those who died killing innocent women and children? No I doubt you do.

I get people support the Palestinian cause and I have no real issue with it, even if I disagree. But there is a difference to supporting a cause verses actively attending and supporting those who harm others to achieve it.

BTW I am Irish ancestry so I also support Ireland’s fight but I never agreed nor supported the IRA’s attacking stance against innocent civilians. Thankfully they did that a lot less than these other groups do now.


#175

Just wanted to say - that’s a great line, man!


#176

Ooooooo that’s a hairy one…


#177

Never been to Palestine, but been to Iran and did speak at a conference there many years ago.

I have laid many a wreath at War Memorials, and I reckon some of those soldiers killed civilians.

My point is that unless you accept reality and see what the other side is fighting for then you will never reach a solution. I have read all that stuff about Corbyn, and it depends on which side of the fence you stand on to see the perspective.

And IT with regards to the IRA, the end will justify the means, and that war is not over yet.


#178

Anyway moving on…


#179

I’m supportive of an independent & united Ireland, but its hypocritical to be selective about when terrorist campaigns against civilians are OK and when they are not.


#180

That is one of the most extraordinary things ever posted on here. History is swamped with the deceased victims of such an outlook.