Sam Durham played 9 games with Richmond VFL’s world-class football academy, so clearly none of it is what we did in the ensuing 3 entire years with him.
EDIT: And Martin was deemed NGE by West Coast post-Subi days.
Just plucking whatever facts he can to fit his agenda.
Yeah sorry this was in response to something someone else wrote. I know the Daveys schooled / grew up down here, I’m not including them. More about pathways for indigenous kids who are from remote areas.
I was responding to @bomber_rhys1 talking about the drying up of indigenous kids coming into the AFL. Obviously lots live in Melbourne Sydney Perth etc but I was thinking specifically of indigenous kids in remote areas and just how bloody hard it is for them to get into the system
Oh come on. His a good footy player, if he played in a decent team he would be even better, but when you have blokes around like McKay and Lav it can make your game worse.
Yep, appreciate your point. In general it sounds like the number of Indigenous kids reaching the AFL are shrinking. It felt like a number of years ago every team had 2-4 Indigenous players, some with serious game totals. Now it feels like they have been replaced with Sudanese kids, or if you look at our AFL/VFL list the names are increasingly Middle Eastern. It may just be a natural shift in demographic, or deteriorating conditions in remote communities. It’s probably a very complex problem and one which is too hard for a football competition to handle.
I reckon if someone like Munkara had been given opportunity to experience an elite environment (coaching, training, fitness, nutrition, etc) from say age 14-15 fair chance he would have made it.
Compare him to someone like Dusty Martin, dodgy upbringing, Richmond was shocked at how little he knew of the broader world, but he’d been in the elite system for multiple years before he was drafted.
Shows just how impressive Tippa really was. Genuinely difficult childhood, forced to move away, took him years to transition “raw” to genuine ability.
Let me help you. It was wrong. Neither was rated as a serious draft mover and shaker. Yet the spin by the club and others in the year or so leading up to the draft was hyperbolic soothsaying
Another Dodoro con that we all bought into.
Ok, so we only gave up steak knife draft picks but you’d have to think had other clubs bid for either Davey we would have matched
I’ve always felt you try accommodate new players and how fast they develop individually whilst assessing their likely impact and success as much as possible.
Seems to me indigenous guys take more time to acclimatise to the regime of AFL training, lifestyle and integrating into the squad more than most. Its at times a huge cultural shift they undergo, and so to be able to harvest their unique talent, you as a coach and club have to be patient. Like pruning a shrub in the right way at the right time to watch it grow into a huge bush (or tree). Think Tippa, Alwyn snr, Longy and others who were great but took time and support. Gav was a bit of a freak to be fair.
I wish we’d give these guys a bit more time even if out on a cheap rookie contract or other way before cutting them entirely from our list. Because the fruit they can sometimes bear is quite different, match winning and exciting to see. And rewarding all round.
Yeah but they didn’t. So we gave up steak knife draft picks
Or maybe steely green was the way to go instead
Hawthorn bid on Alywn Jr.
Durham had barely any time at Richmond VFL. Listed for a missed 2020 COVID season, drafted by us in early June 2021. He showed determination early on, but has clearly got better and better every year.
He is sign that our development program is starting to work.
I didn’t see Jayden play, but wanted him delisted after seeing his brother play.
How did we get the Daveys so wrong? I dunno, let’s look at our picks in the 40+ range over the last 5 years and see if the Daveys stand out in any way whatsoever
Jayden Davey - pick 54 - 2 years then delisted - 0 games
Alwyn Davey - pick 45 - still going - 20 games
Garrett McDonagh - pick 50 - 1 year then delisted - 0 games
Alastair Lord - pick 46 - 2 years then delisted - 1* game
Cody Brand - pick 53 - 2 years then delisted - 0 games
Lachlan Johnson - pick 60 - 2 years then delisted - 0 games
Ned Cahill - pick 56 - 2 years then delisted - 6 games
Edit: sorry, forgot Roberts - pick 54 - still going - 4 games
They’re just typical late round picks that end up being ■■■■. Nothing much to it. Would be completely unremarkable if they had different surnames.
I don’t think Jayden gets drafted main draft if he wasn’t a F/S
He missed nearly all his 18s year after tracking as roughly a 2nd-3rd rounder as a 17yo
Alwyn different story, was fit and had a pretty solid 18s year
That could be classed as being successful. ■■■■ it, I’ll take it.
Not exactly true for Michael Long, He played great footy from his first game in 1989, and he was 19 then. Remember in 1988 he played at West Torrens and won their B&F, and before that dominated games in Darwin for St Mary’s and for NT in 1988 at the Footy Carnival in Adelaide.
Thanks. Saved me from pointing it out
I remember being 12-13 seeing him play at Windy Hill and there were stories about him having saunas to warm up
Played table tennis with he and Simon Madden in the club rooms and Madden started pinching salt and vinegar samboys I was eating
Anthony Daniher taught me how to kick a torp that night and I can still nail them to this day
Yeah. Alwyn and Roberts are the only 2 player at pick 40+ in the last 5 years to get a contract extension. Jayden getting delisted is the norm in that range for us.