Appreciate the honest self appraisal! Refreshing in these times.
Would you prefer I morph into Woosha or Truck?
No? I donât think so.
As for going straight past my posts thatâs like skipping Seasons 3-8 of Seinfeld. Criminal.
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Seems like you are right. I was going off what someone else said on here that he had done 2 previously. Maybe misread it when they meant this is his second.
Anyway, 2 is a lot less disastrous than 3, since it doesnât imply a reconstructed one gave way.
Yep Woosha or Truck would be better, not painless but an improvement. Just the sight of his head is too much some days, so get it out for sight ASAP. 
I mean out of sightâŚseeâŚ.his head affects my brain.
I quite like referring back to the glory days of 2009 under Knighta,
He was Bullish.
Beat Blues twice, a thriller and a flogging, won anzac day, could beat the tigers at Dream time
Beat Ross Lyons saints when they were going ok.
Beat the Hawks twice and knocked them out of finals race post premiership
Plus I probably made it to 5/7 of these matches. was there anzac day, dreamtime, last round against hawks and one of the carlton matches, the close one and the saints match.
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Bring back Knights!
Statistically just as likely the âgoodâ knee will go vs reconstructed (about a 1 in 10 chance).
If itâs the same knee thereâs a 1 in 4 chance he will have a 3rd ACL injury.
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Nice of them to think of me for a change
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yikes
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This isnât even correct. Many players make full recoveries. Gawn was mentioned above as having multiple ACLs earlier in his career, but there are many who have done an ACL and made full recoveries.
Some current AFL players who have previously done an ACL:
Gawn (2)
Liberatore (2)
Petracca
Docherty (2)
Sicily
Rayner
Taylor Walker
Etc etcâŚ
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most of those guys had actually performed at AFl level before their aclâs though or were high draft picks werenât they, so more liekly to be persisted with.
For example Beau Muston - would have been first round pick but did acl in draft year 2005 super draft pendles etc he was pick 22.
He dominated on debut - 31 disposals, 10 marks, 8 inside 50s and a goal.
His career was hampered however by 3 ACL injuries.
He could just never get his knees right and was eventually delisted at the end of 2010.
If he was a rookie pick may have been delisted earlier.
Studies have reported a high incidence of ACL ruptures,5,13,15,18,27,28,37 and recurrent ACL ruptures are potentially career ending. Of professional athletes in the United States who underwent ACL reconstruction, 87% successfully returned to play at a mean 1 year after surgery; however, of the 3.5% who had recurrent ACL ruptures requiring revision surgery, the return-to-play rate was only 50%.
I would put it 50/50 if he gets another contract. And probably relies on us giving one of Jones or likely Weideman the flick for him to stay.
Also re weideman, worth remembering that Billy Frampton played in a flag just playing his role, so Weideman could still be useful to plug holes.
Part of my annoyance with Voss getting the flick last year was due to them essentially replacing him with a guy who couldnât get through 2 matches without being injured, plus had a massive injury history, plus we had at the time Cox and Reid who were frequently injured, why add another one. Yes it was essentially a freak injury and could have happenned to Voss. And that mark at training last week was special, so talent obviously there.
Whereas Voss had completed every training session, won the B&F and was working hard on his positioning in game and learning to play multiple roles.
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What he said 
thatâs a good post HD, but I thought âmultiple rolesâ was a voss weakness
ie he was a bit one-dimensional, and the coaches may feel he has limited upside.
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Coming back off this injury in 2025 or Weideman, Iâd probably take the punt on Hunter. Weide needs to kick 40+ at either level for me to keep him.
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If he played FF at VFL all season, heâd easily snare 40.
Across his career to date heâs been too good for VFL, not quite good enough to be consistently good at AFL.
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Hence âlearningâ multuiple roles.
I watched a lot of VFL last year, and listened to all Paul Cousins match reports from the VFL.
Voss may have been limited, one dimensional, but he was working hard on all facets of his game.
At VFL level he played anywhere from full forward, centre half forward, pushed deep to defence, took ruck contests in the forwardline, and had some spurts in the midfield.
He tackled with aggression, made a contest, may not ahve always taken the mark, but took the ball to ground and competed at ground level. He was a bit of a enigma for the team, if he got fired up, could fire the team up. Worth remembering played in a side where the ball coming in was few and far between. And kicking was occasionally erroneous resulting in bags of 3 not 5 or 6.
From an outsider looking in I thought that Voss and Baldwin had to jump through more hoops than other players just to get noticed by Scott. Just one match to see if he was a spud or not, was all I wanted. I think he would have relished the opportunity of mixing it with the big afl boys. And if he came up wanting would have worked harder.
Also would have loved to see Voss fly the flag and rip some hawthorns scums shirt in half after they go to Merrett. I know days of yesteryear with mercaneries are gone but feel our side needs a bit more buff and bravado out there that would love tackling someone like Powell Pepper into the turf.
Yeh Hunter played 2 games and kicked 1 goal and 4 goals, has some talent and is more of a KPP height and can also ruck and play in defenceâŚso understand he had plusses too.
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Are you ever going to let this go?
maybe one day
I think you are confusing what I was saying. I wasnât commenting in any way with whether or not he gets a contract, or continued opportunity, I was specifically replying to the statement that players rarely come good after âserious injuries like ACLâs and when it does, the player is just not as goodâ.
That was clearly an incorrect statement given the number of top level AFL players who have come back from ACLs including multiple ACLs.
Itâs no guarantee of anything, but an ACL is not career ending in the 2020s. It just takes time. Whether a player who does an ACL is good enough to make it after doing an ACL before debuting is always an unknown.
Iâm not sure about what you are trying to show with Beau Muston. He did a knee, badly, as a junior and then the graft to that knee failed so he was being drafted while having a second op on the same knee. He then did the same knee again in 2008. His 31 disposal debut was after that, but he was delisted at the end of 2010 after 8 games in 2009 and 5 in 2010. Did he not make it because of his knees, or because he wasnât good enough, or because he missed so much development that he was too far behind the eightball in a team that was focussed on winning flags. Who knows
Gawn did his knee as a junior, missed his first year for Melbourne (2010). Played 3 fairly nondescript games in 2011, and did his knee again. in 2012 pre season. He got back from that in 2014, but needed non ACL surgery on that knee again after getting injured in the last round of 2014 after playing 9 games in 2014. He only really got going in mid 2015. Why did Melbourne persist while they were a pretty ordinary team? Who knows.
What I draw from the various examples is that players can make it back from multiple knees. They donât all make it back, and some might make it back and were never good enough in the first place, or due to the knee. But nothing is guaranteed at this point. Hunter just needs to do the work on his rehab, and involve himself in the club, and then the club can make a decision at the end of the year.
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