Forwardline setup

The tension between a game plan that works against the teams that matter and a game plan that works for the players you have is real. You can’t just replace half the starting 22 over an off season to fit the game style. In some positions, like key forward, you can’t even reliably get one over an off season, especially if you’re after a specific type.

I could imagine the theory of the case being we have a large number of middle tier players with X or Y attributes, and that compliments the best attributes of our best half a dozen players, and the side effect of that is that Peter Wright’s best attributes get wasted. If so, that’s fine, but he’s being paid good money and has a long contract, so that needs sorting out.

Edit: I agree with what you’re saying, I’m just thinking about why it might not be happening.

For me it is horses for courses.

It comes down to what do you want to be your strength and what puts you in the best position to win the game.
Do you want to win the ball at the centre bounce clearance?
Do you want to trap the ball in your forward half and continually work off opposition errors?
Do you want to win by sling shoting of the half back line?
Do you want to kick to leading forwards on the move?

You can’t have all 4. We’ve been able to dominate centre clearance (which is something we have rarely done in the last decade) then we began dominating forward half possession and pressure (another thing we haven’t done for a decade). But that meant we pick our spots when sling shooting off the half back line and transition the ball quickly. But that’s not happening as often because we’re dominating field position. In order to sling shot of the half back line effectively, you have to allow the opposition to have the majority of their players in their half of the field. This way you take all their defensive energy and beat them on the rebound. This is what Carlton and Geelong did against us. But at the same time as doing that, you are giving the opponent the opportunity to score against your defence.

If you want open space to lead into, then we have to give up some of that forward press setup that we have and pretty much push it further back.
By doing that, the player kicking into the forward line has more players closer to him, so there’s more pressure on releasing the kick, but there’s more space to lead into it.
Also, if the opposition is set up for what you are doing, our field setup allows the opposition to win the ball back and sling shot back up the field.
When we are forward pressing, it means the opposition has crowded the backline meaning you are less likely to have clean kick to the advantage of our forward and it becomes more of a contested mark situation. Which isn’t the strength of 2MP, Langford, Stringer or Jones.

It comes down to what is the pattern of play we are trying to develop long term as our strength and what best suits the players we have at the moment.

We could fix our forward entries, but it means we’ll be in high scoring games more often than not. And we’ve been there and done that. That doesn’t get us where we want. But it does look great when it works (as we’ve experienced in the past).

I think we want to be a defensive first team, that traps the ball in our forward half and wins the centre bounce clearances. When one of those is taken away from us, then we try rebounding off our half back flank. But we’re struggling to strike the right balance. And we’ve been trying to re-balance every time we’ve made some personnel changes. One time was when Parish went out of the team, again when Ridley came back, again when we’ve reduced down to two small forwards on the field at the same time.

For me, I’d run out the rest of the year maximising forward half pressure. Rather than trying to continually re-balance things depending on the personnel available. That will keep us in games more often than not. And as long as the effort is there, it should also minimise the demoralising losses we experience towards the back end of seasons.
The defensive mindset is more likely to get us where we want to be than the attacking flair mindset.

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It’s not the set up it’s the cattle. Excluding the drafting of caddy which was a positive step in the right direction we have not invested enough draft or trade capital in the forward half so of course it’s our worst area of the ground. When you only have the budget for a Skoda or Hyundai don’t expect a premium car.

Paid two second rounders for Stringer, but that was equally for his midfield output.

Two second rounders to secure jones

4th rounders for 2MP and Weed

Langford was a late first but recruited for midfield potential

Guelfi, Hind, Menzie, Daveys are all late picks or rookies.

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This x 100
Draft Kako, even if our first pick is lower than he is projected. We need speed, class and excitement.
If we had Rankine or B Hill in our forward line, it would make a big difference.

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Compare it to our backline where McKay is our highest paid player, we’ve spent top ten picks on Francis, Reid and Cox. Then Ridley and Redman were both picked in the 20’s. Finally we have put McGrath and Heppel into the backline.

We’ve spent way more draft capital on our backline than our forwardline.

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Bulldogs we looked good fantastic
Adelaide we had 28 shots on goal and it it wasn’t for poor kicking we should have won by a healthy margin.
Port game was a write off.

As for the Pies, Eagles and GWS games… :rofl:. If it wasn’t for a silly reverse free kick in the 4th v Cripps we lose to 2nd bottom. We threw away a 5 goal lead and didn’t take chances up forward v Pies.

I guess we all see it differently which is fine.

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We certainly do :rofl:

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That’s fascinating. Can you share the full data? Would love to see other teams etc and where we place. How was it quantified?

Nah i just watch most games each week

Ridley forward hey? :thinking:

Think Wrights fine. Our lead-up forwards and small crumbles need to get their skates on.

We need a weightman, ginnivan, cameron etc small.

Give the Daveys a go.

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What fowardline?
What setup?

Ridley, intercepting on the backline effortlessly.

Our forwards, genuflecting on the forward line endlessly.

Caddy in, Jayden in. Jones to the wing and one of the ruckman out.

Gresham 2MP Guelfi INT Stringer
Langford Caddy Jayden

Spend draft capital increasing the number of talented forwards. Kako whether by hook or crook must be a bomber. Look to add more top 30 picks to add some more forward half talent;

-Taj Hotton is like a modern day Caracella ie a natural HFF who can link up and create opportunities around goal. Out with an ACL injury otherwise was trending as a top 10 pick.

-Kayle Gerreyne is a bullocking 199cm FF/Ruck, decent skills for a big guy, looks a likely 2nd ruck at AFL level imo.

-Berry is the other genuine forward pocket

-Faull, Shanahan two more options for KPF.

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I think our team looks better with a smaller mobile forward line.

I think one of Jones or Cox as a roaming High forward along with Langford also playing higher role,
Guelfi and Gresham playing high half forward roles

Then Caddy and Stringer as deepest forwards

I think we can decide on playing 2 ruck with this setup, 1 coming from bench or go with 1 ruck with Cox and Jones supporting.
Or 1 ruck give us an extra two running options with Wright ( second ruckmen out). I’d also look at getting Roberts some experience rotation wing/half back moving Hind back to sub role

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Try ElHawli as small forward when fit
Copy swans set up in middle and when they win possession
It looks to me like they keep their forward line open or use positioning to create leading space. Once they have possession
Midfield half backs run fast into forward. Line creating multiple disposal options thro leads and overlap
It only needs one half back or midfield to not cover their direct opponent and bingo
Helps with elite disposal but we have Durham Caldwell Merrett and Martin
Vs Gulden Heeney and Warner
Their system magnified their forward player impact

A forward line with Stringer, Draper, Langford and Wright is too slow and lacks contested marking power.

I would play Draper as a sole ruck, bring in Caddy and replace Stringer with a small

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I think delivery into the forward line is the problem, we panic, often bomb it in and just generally choose the wrong option.

We need to lower the eyes and kick to much shorter options.

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It’s a bit of both imo. Wright is the only key target we have that leads at the ball.

Draper lacks the forward craft, and Stringer can be lazy

Study and Copy swans system