George Pell has been re-homed now, Tim


#1967

“Your honor, have you heard of the 34 athletes…”


#1968

Yep, I joke about the Judge Dredd system, but even that is better than what I know about North Korea, aspects of China and Russia, Burma and Laos, Syria, and more than one place in South America.


#1969

The defence would like to call Bruce Francis to testify.


#1970

Strange - This thread is full of comments with people not having heard the evidence - Try again.


#1971

I’m relying on the evidence that this child rapist was convicted by a jury.

Evidence.

He’s a paedophile, a rapist, and failed to prevent others behaving similarly.

Evidence.


#1972

You can have the opinion that it is not ‘cut and dried’ but I think your opinion would have to be at least partly uniformed if you have not heard all the evidence and seen the testimony of the victim.


#1973

The difference is we are not stating that evidence was inadequate without seeing it. We’re trusting that the jury did its job, because that’s how our legal system works.


#1974

Just wondering whether there have been any historical clerical abuse convictions overturned on ground of unreasonableness of the jury verdict.
Is there a common standard of unreasonableness or a distinct standard for such cases? Could dismissal at the committal stage be relevant?


#1975

Yeah, there’s this “evidence, all seen by the jury ‘n’ stuff”, but then there’s the “alternative evidence” not seen by anyone else.


#1976

Indeed.

I mean, how could 12 random people be more correct than Howard, Abbott and Bolt?


#1977

Frank Brennan now justifying his earlier commentary on the grounds of bringing a legal perspective to balance journalist commentary on evidence. I take that to be a swipe at Lucie Morris Marr, who voiced some views in the New Daily. She sat through the whole trial and, while I might have reservations about her reporting style she should not stand condemned for not being a lawyer.
How does Brennan feel about jurors without legal expertise?


#1978

You forgot ‘vanilla sex’ Richter, So it’s 12/1


#1979

Strange? What’s strange is anyone sticking up for a convicted child rapist without hearing the evidence.


#1980

Equating (any element of) the saga with the Pell case is preposterous wankery of the highest order (and downright offensive).


#1981

Some Catholics will never learn, I am lost for words !!


#1982

Wow!


#1983

As a catholic that’s nothing short of disgraceful


#1984

This.

I didn’t think it possible, but this thread at times has actually become a bigger turd than the subject of it.


#1985

That’s gotta be taking the pisss,… right?


#1986

Even the quote from Bishop Fisher refers to apologists in denial.