George Pell is definitely Coming Home now Tim


#902

No sh!!t Sherlock.


#903

It’s sll just too hard to stop pedophiles so why bother.

And I can’t wait until the state election roles around and he wants us all to get lathered up about African gangs.


#904

I just think its getting very close to star chamber type territory.

Is it not ironic that most on this forum consider priests to be untrustworthy and a menace yet they also consider these same priests trustworthy enough to not mischievously report false statements for people who they consider as enemies.


#905

I think you changed your post to make it a little less stupid


#906

What’s your view on Muslims reporting radicalised members of their community to the authorities?


#907

It’s a matter of weighing up the pros and cons. On one side, you have a particular, specific and relatively unusual element of the traditional confessional/confessor confidentiality ‘agreement’ nullified. On the other, you have the potential to aquire vital evidence in a particularly heinous crime. Absolutely no contest, in my opinion. If you disagree with that, you’d need to make a pretty solid and comprehensive argument and without any distracting side-tracks for anyone to take it seriously.

On the 2nd paragraph - the point you make has no bearing on the matter, and is a separate issue. We’ve already discussed how often a piece of information may or may not come to light - it’s not the argument.


#908

I don’t think it’s unreasonably to question the Church’s pocy and behaviors in of dealing with child sexual abuse, particularly by long after the RC. They have, in my opinion, a morality deficit. The remarks by the AB do not help their cause.


#909

I’m happy enough for priests to report people who confess to kiddy-fiddling, but a couple of questions would apply.

Firstly, surely this couldn’t be evidence in a trial…wouldn’t it just be hearsay?

Secondly, would people then want priests to report other transgressions like theft or assault, or worse?


#910

I wouldn’t have thought so. I always thought hearsay was where someone tells you what someone else said and you report on that ie not directly from source


#911

He said, she said, then.


#912

Or shoplifting, or taking drugs or secretly coveting someone’s wife !!!

Is this where we want to be as a society?


#913

You know he’s not going to answer this question


#914

Everybody is assuming all these pedos confess to other priests but is this really the case?

You introduce this law and there is no chance a pedo would confess. And how the hell do you prove that a pedo actually confessed to a priest? The priest won’t dob himself in and I doubt the pedo would. Not sure this law would be anything other than tokenistic and next to useless.


#915

Yes it is hearsay, but admissions have always been an exception to the rule excluding hearsay from evidence. That’s why confessions to cops are admitted.


#916

Catholic cannon should not supersede our civil laws. Why should this sub section of society set its own law.

Confessional is also a place for catholic children to reveal what is happening to them.


#917

Children go to confession. Especially before sacraments. They could disclose something that is happening to them.


#918

Ok fair enough - I haven’t followed this thread closely and I thought the proposed law was to target priests who hear comfessions from pedophile priests.


#919

I think it’s a result of a recommendation from the RC. My gripe is lack of consistency- if it’s good enough for medical/education/social professions to have mandatory reporting, it’s good enough for faith based ones.


#920

I thought that might only be admissions to police or other civil authorities.


#921

There is nothing weird about Confession; indeed it is part of the Catholic faith and as important to Catholics as sacraments like Communion. And if you think it is used as a “free form of therapy” then you know nothing about the Catholic faith, and cannot possibly be a Catholic.

I was one once, but grew a brain.