George Pell is definitely Coming Home now Tim


#1186

Man, if god is real, and omniscient, and omnipotent, and omnivore - but dumb enough to be sucked in by that? stuff him.


#1187

It is and it’s called humanism.


#1188

#1189

He is dying in Prison now.

Right now it’s just about cataloging just how much of a grub he indeed was.

Hope the victims get justice.


#1190

Going to a hall filled with old people, listening to tales about morality and compassion. Then leave a pineapple in the collection plate = bad, manipulation.

Going to a hall filled with old people, full of flashing lights and sound. Leave a pineapple or two in the pokies = my fun and don’t you dare take it away.

It’s a funny world we live in.


#1191

Ricky is a wonderful entertainer, has a good understanding of people and from what I can tell is a pretty decent human being.
I’ve heard him talk on religion a few times. It’s obviously a passion of his.
He makes some points that promote interesting discussion for people but they tend to be short on real depth and don’t really lead to sound conclusions.


#1192

A little ironic, no?


#1193

Ducked out just in time I’d say.


#1194

There are no sound conclusions on teh godz. He does a pretty good job of generalising the basic facts which are incontrovertible to the smartest monkey. The force that drove Pell’s hand on a young boy was perverted lust in a sophisticated and repressed monkey. Allegedly.

You can deny this and endure the torture of faith, or go and have a ■■■■■■■ coffee or a beer and read a volume of poetry and marvel at the best things we’ve done, and brewed, in our short tenure. Soon you will be dirt etc


#1195

George Carlins interpretation of religion is the best…


#1196

Rational thought and humanism cannot be, and never will be, a religion.

Religion needs a god or godess, a book of rules / doctrine, some form of afterlife, and usually some form of hierarchical structure.

Rational thought / humanism has none of these, and in fact, are a rejection of all that.


#1197

Sadly a human mass bereft of a god or goddess will put the head on something like a Kardashian. New thread, Best Band Name. Devo. Thread over.


#1198

Good on you on bringing the Kardashians into it. If there’s anything I cant stand it’s the, dare I say it, the worship of that clan I find completely bizarre!


#1199

My wife treats me like a Kardashian.
She thinks I’m special for absolutely no reason at all.


#1200

No rules at all? Or just not in a book?

And if no rules, does that mean a rationalist or a humanist can do anything? Eg kill a nasty old person with a lot of money because the rationalist/humanist is rationally and humanly a better person than the old miser and will use the money for good instead of evil?

Some Russian guy thought that, but I don’t think it worked out very well.


#1201

Help me out here.
Which part?


#1202

We do have the laws of the land! And I think you’re creating a strawman there.


#1203

Of course humanists are not a religion in the traditional sense of the word but it’s semantics for me.
Without religion to construct a system of moral beliefs, no way we would be where we are today.


#1204

Moral beliefs can be subjective, what’s wrong for one can be seen as right for another. Without religion we could we have developed humanist values anyway, and who knows…maybe a more balanced, equal world without all the hatred we see nowadays, of lot of which exists because of religion.


#1205

I would dare say there are a few things you would believe to be right/wrong no matter what background someone comes from. We hear it more and more about not all opinions being equal.

Humans own the capacity for hate, religion is just a vehicle to use it and Humanism isn’t exempt from that.