George Pell is definitely Coming Home now Tim


#1306

That’s what the evil brother would say.


#1307

Hopefully in the general population of the prison.


#1308

Out of interest how do you feel about Jimmy Saville?


#1309

We’re one step away from activating Godwin’s Law.


#1310

By all accounts a disgusting sleaze bag. All on the basis of untested allegations made after his death, of course, but there are enough of them and their nature and the surrounding corroborative and circumstantial evidence to make that pretty clear.


#1311

Any one who abuses children should fark off and rot in jail. Any organisation that systematically covers up this abuse should also fark off, be held legally accountable (including anyone involved in any part of the cover up) and punished. The fact that any institution hides behind being a legal non entity to protect their money is cowardice and moral hypocracy at its finest.

I think we can all agree on that.

A certain well known cardinal is one of these people. The Catholic Church is one of these organisations.
This isn’t opinion, this is established legal facts.

What is there to defend?


#1312

I’d never heard of this law…so now I’ve learned something today which makes it a good day


#1313

I don’t know if there is a god, but if there is, please please please let him kill this thread


#1314

HAP was excessively generalising, but there is no doubt that there are a few religious organisations that have a very disturbing track record of pedo activity.

Mind you, there are many more that don’t.


#1315

Nah, I won’t do it today.


#1316

It wasn’t a generalisation, it was specifically about why people don’t trust the Salvos.


#1317

It was a generalisation and it was wrong, Most people do trust the Salvos, it is why they continue to donate to them.


#1318

Don’t want to get too involved in the argument, but will say the whole idea of a good cover up is as few people as possible know about the cover up. A good cover up works because everyone has something to lose by having whatever is being covered up exposed.

So it is difficult to blame every member of the church for the illdoings of a few.

Now that the cover ups have been brought down, we can judge the organisations on their responses.


#1319

Well in that case I think you are wrong. People still trust the salvos. Maybe not so much around kids homes, but I don’t think the overall view has changed.


#1320

They were just mimicking their God.


#1321

Previously, the Catholic Church had invoked the controversial Ellis defence, which allowed the organisation to succeed in all claims of sexual assault against it. This was because the Catholic Church did not technically exist as a legal entity.

The “Melbourne Response Program” was instead set up by the church — its architect was Cardinal George Pell. This system meant that those accusing the church of childhood abuse could not receive payments through the court, but would be paid out by the church. For victims to receive any compensation from the church, they were required to waive their right to sue.

According to Pell, the payments were made “based on justice.”

The Royal Commission findings from testimonies and recording keeping (which the Church directed be kept to a minimum) told a story of church concerns with reputation and finance as opposed to pastoral care.


#1322

Says a lot about Pell really.


#1323

Yes it does. It does however omit a few things.

Such as the fact that the Melbourne Response was set up voluntarily, and was the first acknowledgement by the Catholic Church anywhere in the entire world that people had been harmed by Catholic clergy; that it was pushed through by Pell against opponents within the Church who opposed any sort of acknowledgement at all; that the requirement that anyone receiving compensation had to waive all other rights and keep everything confidential was dropped after less than two years; and that something like 95% of all the claims made through that system have been upheld and compensation paid.


#1324

If they really cared they would’ve kicked those monsters out and let them go to prison, or public stoning, i’m not fussy.


#1325

The Bretheren are a front. Priorities are money, family a distant second and third some sort of religious acknowledgememt. Arrogant cnts to boot.

It wasn’t abuse as such but the word was that the brides to be where broken in by a dirty old “stud” the night before, so they had a rough idea of what to when they removed their long Levi dresses. The chastity belt had already been picked obviously.

They are a closed community so they didn’t talk to the outside world so who knows what the frig they did. Be a good ■■■■■ though.