Scott Weiland can blame himself for that.
I will always love Pearl Jam for the age and place I was when 10 smashed into my brain. A vividly ‘Alive’ memory to this day.
I saw them live for the first time at the BDO this year after making the fateful decision to not accompany my mates to stand outside the fence at that infamous Musical Bowl gig.
Jason Derulo has them covered.
Might have caused some confusion there.
I was meaning the Album "Core" - Stone Temple Pilots.
Plush was the 2nd single. *face slap*
I've always gotten that ■■■ about. Apologies.
Speaking of underrated bands...
Ahhhh no.
They are lift grabbers.
Also worst live band ever. So So lazy.
And of course the inevitable happened. A Pearl Jam episode invariably leads me to State Of Love And Trust. Which equates without fail to the soundtrack "Singles".
How farking good is THAT album!!? And how big a part did it play in launching the Seattle sound onto a corpulent and jaded music world!? Friggin huge, I'd say.
Vale Andy and Layne.
It's not my music world anymore to demand change in, but Given what I hear on current popular radio via my kids, I really hope another big shift is imminent for the youth out there. Maybe it already has and I just hear it, lol.
State of love and trust is one of my all-time favourite songs. Saw them at the infamous concert at the bowl back in the day, and then saw them about four years ago at Etihad. Before the Etihad concert I was a bit concerned that if they sucked it would sour some of my favourite memories from when I was younger, but they rocked and I remembered why I loved their music so much.
So glad my teen years were to bands of this nature, rather than the ■■■■ pumped out nowadays. Or maybe I'm just getting old. Get off my lawn!
Might have caused some confusion there.
I was meaning the Album "Core" - Stone Temple Pilots.
Plush was the 2nd single. *face slap*
I've always gotten that ■■■ about. Apologies.
Speaking of underrated bands...
Ahhhh no.
They are lift grabbers.
Also worst live band ever. So So lazy.
You lost me at 'Ahhhh no.'
They are not underrated. They shouldn't even be rated.
They were the kind of band that started to bring the thing down. As the lift was taking of commercially they jumped onboard and made a heap of cash off "the scene" when really they were just another rock band. Hence the term "Lift Grabbers".
"Live" are another classic example.
When the Seattle scene happened it was too heavy for the likes of Triple M to play and it fitted in so perfectly with triple J and Triple R.
So Tripple M went back to programming 80s classic rock. There was a divide.
So people were forced into listening to Triple J and Triple R which was great for music because people were exploring music and finding new bands (which may have been old bands). It was beautiful.
But then STP and Live happened. And Triple M had something to hold on to. Something to program. So people starting to go back and be safe.
And that was the end of it all.
I blame STP and Live for ruining everything.
They are not underrated. They shouldn't even be rated.
They were the kind of band that started to bring the thing down. As the lift was taking of commercially they jumped onboard and made a heap of cash off "the scene" when really they were just another rock band. Hence the term "Lift Grabbers".
"Live" are another classic example.
When the Seattle scene happened it was too heavy for the likes of Triple M to play and it fitted in so perfectly with triple J and Triple R.
So Tripple M went back to programming 80s classic rock. There was a divide.
So people were forced into listening to Triple J and Triple R which was great for music because people were exploring music and finding new bands (which may have been old bands). It was beautiful.
But then STP and Live happened. And Triple M had something to hold on to. Something to program. So people starting to go back and be safe.
And that was the end of it all.
I blame STP and Live for ruining everything.
Lol.
There is too much pretentious hose sh*t in that post to even bother with...
Seriously it is true.
I was working in the industry when it all happened.
It has been mentioned in this thread previously. PJ were no innovators. They were lift grabbers themselves.
Programmers were split at the time. Triple M changed their whole strategy. They couldn't cross over and decided not to.
They focused on 30+. They didn't want to alienate that audience. Focused on playing classic rock. They didn't want to play Smells LIke Teen Spirit and there was no other song on that album they could play.
It wasn't til 94 they did thanks to a few songs. And some of those were from Nirvana and PJ but it started with Live and STP and the likes.
True. I was there. In a radio station.
I didn't see you there.
And don't even get me started on Garbage. Butch after bringing the sub culture to the mainstream cashed in with that trollop of a band.
I think he may be pointing out, THE, that it's a bit hard for a band started half a decade before PJ to be derivative from (or ripping off) PJ etc
STP certainly had commercial success on the back of PJ & Nirvana etc, that doesn't mean they *started* after them or at any point made a decision to chase that success.
But, on the whole, "so derivative, man; real music died when X" is, like, totally a good point.
Seriously it is true.
I was working in the industry when it all happened.
It has been mentioned in this thread previously. PJ were no innovators. They were lift grabbers themselves.
Programmers were split at the time. Triple M changed their whole strategy. They couldn't cross over and decided not to.
They focused on 30+. They didn't want to alienate that audience. Focused on playing classic rock. They didn't want to play Smells LIke Teen Spirit and there was no other song on that album they could play.
It wasn't til 94 they did thanks to a few songs. And some of those were from Nirvana and PJ but it started with Live and STP and the likes.
True. I was there. In a radio station.
I didn't see you there.
And don't even get me started on Garbage. Butch after bringing the sub culture to the mainstream cashed in with that trollop of a band.
LOL. Oh fark this is awesome, you're killing me!
You were there? As in, you were in Seattle?
They may have started before PJ but were never part of the scene.
They were LA and basically were sold and marketed as part of the Seattle scene and grunge.
hence Lift Grabbers.
Seriously it is true.
I was working in the industry when it all happened.
It has been mentioned in this thread previously. PJ were no innovators. They were lift grabbers themselves.
Programmers were split at the time. Triple M changed their whole strategy. They couldn't cross over and decided not to.
They focused on 30+. They didn't want to alienate that audience. Focused on playing classic rock. They didn't want to play Smells LIke Teen Spirit and there was no other song on that album they could play.
It wasn't til 94 they did thanks to a few songs. And some of those were from Nirvana and PJ but it started with Live and STP and the likes.
True. I was there. In a radio station.
I didn't see you there.
And don't even get me started on Garbage. Butch after bringing the sub culture to the mainstream cashed in with that trollop of a band.
LOL. Oh fark this is awesome, you're killing me!
You were there? As in, you were in Seattle?
Ah no.
Read above.
I am talking about what happened here with music programming.
So i was here. Programming music.
i think the penny just dropped.
Seriously it is true.
I was working in the industry when it all happened.
It has been mentioned in this thread previously. PJ were no innovators. They were lift grabbers themselves.
Programmers were split at the time. Triple M changed their whole strategy. They couldn't cross over and decided not to.
They focused on 30+. They didn't want to alienate that audience. Focused on playing classic rock. They didn't want to play Smells LIke Teen Spirit and there was no other song on that album they could play.
It wasn't til 94 they did thanks to a few songs. And some of those were from Nirvana and PJ but it started with Live and STP and the likes.
True. I was there. In a radio station.
I didn't see you there.
And don't even get me started on Garbage. Butch after bringing the sub culture to the mainstream cashed in with that trollop of a band.
LOL. Oh fark this is awesome, you're killing me!
You were there? As in, you were in Seattle?
Ah no.
Read above.
I am talking about what happened here with music programming.
So i was here. Programming music.
You were here. Programming music? So that's mean you were 'there.' Farkin LOL
You know, if you were a 16 year old from Seattle who was actually there when the scene exploded, I could understand your stance.
But why you think the programming choices of an Aussie radio station has any relevance in whether a band is good/ under rated / destroyed a scene that you feel a sense of entitlement towards, is very strange.
I loved Grunge, still do. (even if I wasn't programming music at the time). But the religious fervor that surrounds some of the devotees was painful then, it's staggering now.
Good music is good music. It doesn't matter where they fit on some mythical 'timeline of influence.'
One other thing,
The best of album, “rearview mirror”’, one of the most exciting track listings on a best of album from any band.
I never said I was there, in Seattle. That is a stretch.
I meant I was there in 90 when it all hit and was helping programming at a radio station.
So i am telling you what was happening at the time in regards to radio airplay.
All I said is that STP aren't underrated. They get there exact due. I think they are the most successful band of the 90s in terms of $$$$.
The reason? They were cross over. Lifted by the marketing of the Seattle scene although they weren't from Seattle.
So perhaps chill.
STP had some ok songs and definitely rode the wave of the Seatlle scene, although that was probably much more to do with pony-tailed music execs rather than their own choosing. The Deleo brother wrote some good riffs, mainly on first 3 albums. Whilst he tried hard to get into that 'talented drugged out tortured frontman' club from that era Scott Weiland wasn't in the same caliber of Andy Wood, Cobain or Stanley and to his credit unlike the others, he's still alive. He never had to the pipes to be included with the likes of Cornell or Vedder. Drummer is terrible.
I enjoyed their MTV unplugged set.
But nothing will ever beat the AIC unplugged set. So intense. Layne was off his ****.
I remember seeing AIC at the Palace in St Kilda in 92 or 93. He was ******.
At the start of the gig when the sheet fell he was strung up on these ropes like a spider and couldn't get down.
He kinda just hung there. Fragile.
Ripping gig though.
Love, Hate, Love!
I never said I was there, in Seattle. That is a stretch.
I meant I was there in 90 when it all hit and was helping programming at a radio station.
So i am telling you what was happening at the time in regards to radio airplay.
All I said is that STP aren't underrated. They get there exact due. I think they are the most successful band of the 90s in terms of $$$$.
The reason? They were cross over. Lifted by the marketing of the Seattle scene although they weren't from Seattle.
So perhaps chill.
All I said was one line that I think they were under rated.
I couldn't care less what radio programming was doing at the time, because it doesn't mean anything.
STP were no Pearl Jam or Soundgarden, but they certainly don't deserve to be hit with that whole 'killing the scene, man' nonsense.
I think you need to chill.
Tell me what killed the scene then?
Why did people move back to commercial radio?
please enlighten me. You seem to know a hell of a lot about it.
And I didn't just say it was just them.
In my original post I also stated they were a lazy lazy live outfit.
Hence saying they were not overrated.
Tell me what killed the scene then?
Why did people move back to commercial radio?
please enlighten me. You seem to know a hell of a lot about it.
Nothing "killed the scene" This cycle is a constant in music
As above
Keep it civil please.