I never saw Tim play, tell me who's better.
If you answer Tim, can you see yourself, and do you think you will, be saying Jobe in 4/5 years once he's done?
Personally, I cannot see Jobe overtaking Tim.
Tim was the prototypical 90s player playing in the 80s. He could kick on both feet. You seriously couldn’t tell which one he preferred as his left foot was more accurate and his right foot gave him the distance. He was an unbelievable runner. Both burst speed and endurance. When it was time to go for the hard ball, he went for it. While he was skilful and naturally talented, he was also an inspirational leader and continually willed himself into games.
Jobe has progressed further than anyone imagined. He really didn’t look too promising for a while there, but he has closed the gap on Tim over the last five years. Jobe just doesn’t have as many ways to hurt the opposition as Tim had, but what he does do, he does very well. I’d be willing to say, Jobe is a better leader than Tim.
some they call me tim.
If say Tim, by a fair bit.
His explosive speed, and ability to kick goals as an on baller are better. Also recall him being better overhead.
Tim could probably play in any era and would be a damaging player.
It blows my mind that anyone can make it to senior footy in their local comp let alone play at the highest level as a 15 year old. Must’ve reigned terror on opposition teams for Dimboola juniors in his day.
Jobe wins for strength over the footy and dishing it off to outside runners, his ability to put a player in a better position like Gretzky is first rate.
Plus Tim is the only person I’ve heard that’s called Caro and given her a few tips on what it means to be a decent human being.
Blummers32 is right on the money.
I'm really biased as I saw a lot of football in the early 80's and Tim was one of my favourite players. He could change the course of a game far better than Jobe. Jobe is a really good leader and has risen to the needs of the club but in terms of pure football spectator enjoyment, Tim will be forever be one of the greats.
The original is the best.
Personally, I cannot see Jobe overtaking Tim.
Tim was the prototypical 90s player playing in the 80s. He could kick on both feet. You seriously couldn't tell which one he preferred as his left foot was more accurate and his right foot gave him the distance. He was an unbelievable runner. Both burst speed and endurance. When it was time to go for the hard ball, he went for it. While he was skilful and naturally talented, he was also an inspirational leader and continually willed himself into games.
Jobe has progressed further than anyone imagined. He really didn't look too promising for a while there, but he has closed the gap on Tim over the last five years. Jobe just doesn't have as many ways to hurt the opposition as Tim had, but what he does do, he does very well. I'd be willing to say, Jobe is a better leader than Tim.
Saw the thread title and immediately started mentally preparing my comparison. Then I saw this ^ . Brilliant post - hits the nail on the head. When I think back to Tim it's his explosive pace, strength and skill that comes to mind. As much as I love Jobe, Tim truly was one of a kind.
Tim a long way ahead. Think a better, more consistent version of Dangerfield, over a long period. Had smarts as well as skill and pace. Ultra dynamic, a matchwinner like few really are. One of the best ever in red and black.
Tim played many great finals. Jobe hasn't played 1 yet.
Tim and it's not even close
Tim's #2 in the EFC players I've seen over 50+ years, and there are some absolute guns in that lot.
Jobe might be up to about #15 by now.
Tim's #2 in the EFC players I've seen over 50+ years, and there are some absolute guns in that lot.
Jobe might be up to about #15 by now.
Now I'm curious? Who is #1? Hird?
Tim's #2 in the EFC players I've seen over 50+ years, and there are some absolute guns in that lot.
Jobe might be up to about #15 by now.
Now I'm curious? Who is #1? Hird?
Justin Murphy.
Tim has all the attributes that we need to add to our midfield group.
Its why he would be good in any era.
Jobe won the brownlow, had 1 very good year.
But Tim is still in front. and has more weapons.
For jobe to get on equal footing he needs to do the following
win a premiership, play good finals football
- have a more good years where he goes close in the brownlow.
Develop his forward game into an attacking forward and extend his career as a forward.
but yeh tim 300 games multiple premierships started as a 15 year old. its a pretty impressive resume.
I love Jobe, however Timothy Michael Watson was/is special.
Found this ages ago, glad I can use it.
<span style="font-size:14px;">Thanks For The Memory, 300 Times Over. 32 Reasons Why They Love Timmy</span>
The Age
Friday April 1, 1994
Tim Watson today plays his 300th AFL game. Here, 32 people who have followed the Essendon champion's career over the past 17 years pay tribute to him.
Len Johnson reports.
EDNA WATSON, his mother: Tim walked at eight months and was always keen to be exercising. He played for Dimboola seniors when he was 13.
We were in Queensland. I nearly died when I found out. He was a natural, we never doubted he would go further. He played his first game against Francis Bourke; I cried when he went on to the ground.
We've always been very supportive of Tim; I've never been a mother who worries about her children getting hit.
KEVIN EGAN, former Essendon football manager: Three of us went up to Dimboola - Ted Fordham, Barry Keam and myself. You didn't have to be a Rhodes Scholar to know he was a champion, he was a once-in-a-lifetime sort of talent. A super-player and a super-person.
KEN FLETCHER, Watson's first captain at Essendon: I first saw Tim at a clinic in Dimboola when he was 14. I wasn't over-impressed; he looked pudgy and over-casual. The next year he was playing. I was always impressed by his ability to look quickly either side of him and then just zip away.
BARRY DAVIS, another great No.32 and Essendon coach, 1978-80: Kevin Egan and I went to a thirds practice game. There was this kid with shoulder-length hair, his jumper over his shorts so you couldn't see he had shorts on, his socks over his boots so you couldn't see he had boots on, and in three minutes he'd handled the ball three times. He was the most exciting player to come out of one of the most exciting eras of the Essendon Football Club. I just enjoyed being involved with his development.
BILL STEPHEN, Watson's first coach at Essendon: He had a maturity that was evident and the physical build of someone much older. He was something special. We were trying to re-build and I could see he was going to be part of it for a long time to come.
STEPHEN PHILLIPS, Channel 7 Sport: I interviewed him for `The Age' when he came down, before his first game. He was carrying a lot of puppy fat, and was very shy.
MERV NEAGLE, fellow Dimboola High School student who went to Essendon the same year as Watson: I remember when he was just 13 or 14, they put him on the bench (for Dimboola) against Stawell and that was just unheard of. Someone that young playing in a men's competition (the Wimmera League) was incredible. He's one of the true champions in my mind.
LARRY WATSON, Tim's brother, who played 31 games with Essendon and four with Fitzroy: I'm four years older than Tim, and when he came down he lived with me for a couple of years. At one stage we had a house just behind the ground. ``Crackers" Keenan used to come around on Sunday mornings and tell us stories for a couple of hours. At that point I was struggling to get a game and things were starting to fall into place for Tim.
RON CARTER, `Age' chief football writer, 1977-92: I liked his style even before day one. Three Essendon men went to his Dimboola home in 1977 to persuade his parents to allow their 15-year-old to move to Melbourne. Naturally, they were concerned about their schoolboy son leaving home. But before the Essendon trio had finished their spiel, Tim emerged with two bags packed, ready to leave that night.
SUSIE WATSON, Tim's wife and mother of four: Tim has this incredible sense of self, who he is, where he comes from, a sense of family. He has an enormous family in the country, and they mean a lot to him. His parents did a lot for him. He came to Melbourne with great maturity, and a sense that he was who he was and didn't have to drop his standards for anyone.
FRANCIS BOURKE, Watson's first VFL opponent - Essendon 15.9 (99) drew with Richmond 14.15 (99), round seven, 1977: They had a number of young players. Tim and Paul Van Der Haar spring to mind. He played on me for a quarter or half. To have a 15-year-old playing on you was unbelievable, though he was a good size. The draft rules now mean you can't play at that age and, while that means no more Tim Watsons, for every Tim Watson I think there's 100 who have been played too early, either in their physical or mental development.
SIMON MADDEN, teammate and Essendon games' record holder.
He was successful, he retired, then he came back and showed you could still do it if you gave it your best. In a football club, where you need a bit of give and take, he also had some great one-liners.
TERRY DANIHER, teammate and fellow country legend: He was always getting in the way (though he'd always reckoned it was me in his way).
I'd come down from a mark and get back on to the ball and he'd already be after it. One game at Waverley I actually tipped him over, I thought it was Bruce Doull coming through. I reckon that proves it was his fault.
ROWAN SAWERS, who started his VFL career on the same day as Watson and the only umpire to have reported him: It was a game against Melbourne at the MCG in 1988. Todd Viney, I think. (Greg Healy, in fact). Tim gave him a cuff to the head, pretty innocuous, but reportable. He's such a great fellow I felt guilty at the tribunal. All these glowing character references - and his perfect record - were read out and I thought: ``What have I done here?" I felt like the bloke who killed Bambi. It was a bit like the time Kevin Bartlett got reported. The charge (against Watson) was thrown out. He was always a pleasure to umpire.
MIKE FITZPATRICK, former Carlton captain on that goal in the 1981 night final: , so that when things got tight, one of them would take a big mark, kick a goal, whatever. I'll always remember that night final in 1981 when I've gone to tackle him in the goal square. One of their guys had fallen, and I figured he had to come to me, but he just jumped over the player and kicked a goal. I realised then just how athletic he was. He and the Danihers had that incredible competitive instinct.
ROHAN CONNOLLY, `Sunday Age' chief football writer, who as a schoolboy wore No.32 on his duffle coat: I always cringed when the ``Timmy" cry went up because it heightened Watson's ``pretty boy" image, and nothing could have been further from the truth. It was power coupled with creative brilliance that made him so damaging. I still think a lot of people don't realise just how good he was. That's their loss.
PETER SCHWAB, former Hawthorn player and opponent: Tim Watson was the player who sparked the great Essendon team of the early to mid-1980s into action. If you could hold Watson, and subdue his influence, you could beat them. He was the one player who could change the momentum of the game.
ALLAN JEANS, coach of Hawthorn 1981-90: He was a formidable opponent, in full flight there weren't many better. I'm pleased he came back, enabling him to play 300 games and become eligible for AFL life membership, the ultimate honor for anyone that's been in the game.
KEVIN SHEEDY, Essendon coach 1981-94: He has always been prepared to take the game on and run with the ball when he has it. He's got the skills of a running rugby player. As a person, he is an ideal role model, and completely professional. We've all felt like a break, but he was honest enough to take one and not play until his enthusiasm was rekindled.
MICHAEL THOMSON, former Essendon teammate and former business partner in `Watson and Thomson Nurseries': In 1980, we had two tickets to Los Angeles and had planned a holiday. But an opportunity came up, we brought a ute, some old tools and a landscaping business. Tim stayed in it until four years ago. As a personality, he's quite amazing.
People from little kids to 80-year-olds love him to death.
TIM HOREWOOD, managing director, Musashi, work colleague: One day early in the 1992 season, just after he retired, we were driving around Brunton Avenue. As we passed under the overhang of the Great Southern Stand, Tim said: ``I'd love to play a game there," and I knew he'd be back.
KEN BETTS, Essendon property steward for - you guessed it - the past 32 years: When he was working for Channel 7, we had a running joke.
He'd come and ask me for a pair of socks, or something, and when I'd say no, he'd tell me: ``You can't say no to me." So when he came back and wanted his new kit, I told him: ``No, you can't have it." He's always been an easy bloke to deal with, never a whinger or hassler.
DUSTIN FLETCHER, Essendon's youngest 1993 premiership player: I had locker No.31 and he was 32, so he was always around. He talked to me a lot. If I had a question to ask, I'd always ask him.
MARK `THE PHANTOM' DORAN, Essendon club mascot: He's just been great.
Great around the club, a great captain and player, and great for the game.
JOHN KEMFERT, president, shire of Dimboola: Dimboola has had a Stawell Gift winner, Olympic cyclists, Melbourne Cup jockeys, professional sports men and women, but we're proudest of Tim because of his attitude to sport and the community.
DOUG HEYWOOD, retired ABC television commentator: If you had a son who played football, you'd want him to be just like Tim simply because of the way he went about his football. I really enjoy the fair aspect of his play, as well as his exquisite skills.
PETER KEENAN, ABC radio commentator and former player: I was going to knock his block off one day early in 1977 when North Melbourne seconds played Essendon. Ian Marsh said: ``Fair go. He's only 15." I wanted to go off and hide somewhere. I apologised and we've been firm friends since.
DANNY CORCORAN, Essendon football manager/fitness adviser: I've known him just over 12 months, since he came back. He was, and is, one of the great clutch players - the goal against Adelaide in last year's preliminary final is a great example. When he came back, he wanted the best preparation possible. He planned and organised his life around training. He was too proud of his reputation to come back and be mediocre.
JOAN KIRNER, former Premier, Essendon supporter: His photo sits on my mantleelpiece. His example inspires thousands of footy fans. It's time he was given the Brownlow. Thank you Tim.
BRUCE REID, Essendon club doctor 1982-94: He has had heaps of serious injuries, but in 1987 we took dozens of calls over a rumor. He had a very short crewcut, and a rumor spread that he was having treatment for leukaemia. It couldn't happen now, because he wouldn't dare have a hair-cut like that.
PETER COSTELLO, Federal Opposition spokesman on finance, Essendon supporter: I think I've seen him play 250 of the 300 games. He's one of the few that can turn a game with his explosive pace.
MICHELLE BAYLISS, a fan: I love him. He's just the best.
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I would suggest the matter is settled, but I'd like to add my two cents worth.
It's Tim, and probably by a fair way.
Jobe is now 30, or will be by the time we play again
Tim was just about retired when he was 30.
By then he'd played in two premierships, kicked 7 goals in a game once, but had kicked 5, 6 times.
He had a burst of speed, and an awareness than made the rest of the team better.
Jobe has the same ability, but without the burst of speed, or the ability to kick multiple goals, even when he's resting up forward.
Going forward from here, Jobe is not going to be as good as Jobe was, and yes he won a Brownlow, but I don't think he'll ever be regarded as good as Tim.
Tim a long way ahead. Think a better, more consistent version of Dangerfield, over a long period. Had smarts as well as skill and pace. Ultra dynamic, a matchwinner like few really are. One of the best ever in red and black.
The Dangerfield comparison is pretty spot on.
The thing about Tim is that he played a great Dangerfield game every week. Not just 1 in 5.
He was ike Danger but only 30 years ago.
He is the sole reason I barrack for the bombers. From the first time he lept over the pack for a goal against Carlton in the night flag.
The Dangerfield comparison is pretty spot on.Tim a long way ahead. Think a better, more consistent version of Dangerfield, over a long period. Had smarts as well as skill and pace. Ultra dynamic, a matchwinner like few really are. One of the best ever in red and black.
The thing about Tim is that he played a great Dangerfield game every week. Not just 1 in 5.
He was ike Danger but only 30 years ago.
He is the sole reason I barrack for the bombers. From the first time he lept over the pack for a goal against Carlton in the night flag.
Yep Dangerfield with a bit of Ablett Junior.
Love Jobe, and he is a great player, no dishonor to be second to your Dad.
Yep Dangerfield with a bit of Ablett Junior.The Dangerfield comparison is pretty spot on.Tim a long way ahead. Think a better, more consistent version of Dangerfield, over a long period. Had smarts as well as skill and pace. Ultra dynamic, a matchwinner like few really are. One of the best ever in red and black.
The thing about Tim is that he played a great Dangerfield game every week. Not just 1 in 5.
He was ike Danger but only 30 years ago.
He is the sole reason I barrack for the bombers. From the first time he lept over the pack for a goal against Carlton in the night flag.
Love Jobe, and he is a great player, no dishonor to be second to your Dad.
Yep, tell my son that everyday!