John Barnes pushing to sue AFL over concussion

Wallace went to Melbourne for the money to pay his medical bills, they directed him to Grinter.
Settled out of court but I suspect Melbourne or the league eventually stumped it up.

Don’t know what insurance was back then, but suspect it’s different now, AFL cover all the bills.

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How will they be able to prove football caused Ablett’s supposed brain injures? Or was it all the hammer he’s taken?

Reputedly fairly keen on a barney in his younger days too, although supposedly didn’t lose many.

That was one of the reasons why he was given the A from the Dawks, purportedly.

Not really, no.
Just for those victims who want vengeance over justice.

If that’s how you want to interpret it, but justice is not always fair.

In Western society we say a key element of committing a crime and being punished by incarceration is having either intent or (significant) negligence. Someone who literally doesn’t know what they are/were doing can’t meet that threshold.

I understand that, but the words “not guilty” insinuate that they did not actually commit the act/offence. I’m not saying they need to deny significant mental impairment may have been the main contributor. Obviously I’m not a legal eagle, just expressing what I feel those words reflect.

Well, given that’s not what ‘not guilty’ means, you may be tilting at windmills.

Not guilty doesn’t mean innocent, and it doesn’t mean you committed the act. It means the legal system doesn’t find you guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

A question. If a driver suffers a heart attack, loses control and ploughs into a pedestrian/car and kills someone, would you say that the driver is guilty of Culpable Driving? If not, then is there a reason for a different standard for someone suffering a physical issue from a mental one?

A heart attack vs a drug induced psychosis?

If it is voluntary taken drugs with known effects and you commit the offence while high, then it isn’t diminished mental capacity. Just like you don’t get off for being drunk.

What about if the person’s history of drug use causes or exacerbates the mental illness?
The below is a good article. It mentions how NSW has actually changed the words of the verdict. Again in Victoria, we are seriously behind (and also completely off topic in this thread :no_mouth:)

And if the driver with the heart attack had a history of bad diet/exercise, didn’t take their medication and drove long hours?

Fundamentally you want to demonise mental health and put it in a special category.

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Oh please.

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Shane Tuck, takes his own life at 38. His brain showing the worst signs of CTE of any AFL player. A very sad end to his life, at such a young life.

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Sheesh what a rough time he’s been through. Poor bastard.

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He was a gutsy player, and l admired the way he went about the game. He and his wife were on the news a couple of years ago talking a little about his struggle. From the speech he just gave it looks and sounds like he has now made a decent recovery. He remains a gutsy player for getting up and telling his story so articulately. I wonder now what story Brayshaw will have to tell.

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That’s rough. To go from a fairy tale to a nightmare and then finding your way back from it.

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Looking at that footage he pretty much swung a massive haymaker as hard as he could

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