Make the US Politics Thread Great Again

I believe one of the key reasons Mueller’s indictments were worded the way they were is to ensure that if/when they next indict a US citizen of being “in on this” it is automatically classified as collusion. Don Jr. , for example, will want to be very sure that none of the indictees are remotely linked to the folks that he so eagerly agreed to meet to get dirt on Hillary.

Imagine our surprise at your response. Even if Trump admitted collusion you would deny it :roll_eyes:

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Ah yes it’s all about memes. You are dense.

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Maybe he’ll believe Fox News …

russia-indictment-this-is-not-a-hoax

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Isn’t the contrary perspective that some of you cannot admit there was no collusion.
Lot of similarities with 911 Truthers who think Bush organised it all.

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Sorry - no sensible thoughts allowed here.

Some of you should hear yourselves think.
Somehow a few Facebook posts from overseas influenced a US election. Do you know how ridiculous this sounds?

Maybe the FBI should charge Fairfax, The Guardian and the ABC for their barracking of Hilary during the election?
After all, same principles apply.

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Feeding a troll is, like any enabling of addiction, a cruel and ill considered act. The equivalent of, say, a corporate bookie enabling a punter to throw his family to the wolves for another roll of the dice. Although that motive is also enormously greed based and speaks to a selfish and ruthless character.

Don’t feed the troll. If you must respond, tell him he can get help and that we’re all here for him in red and black.

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Doesn’t really have much to do with what we think.
Perhaps you should direct your concerns to the FBI?

Given Trump’s fondness for conspiracies and his pat on the back for Alex Jones/Infowars in early '17 you’re grouping the “Left” you revile with the President you laud.

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It’s probably 50:50 it the election meddling impacted the result. The election was close, damn close. It would only take a swing of 0.5%, a few thousand votes in the right states, to swing the election from Hillary to Trump.

The Russians focused on a number of things that could easily have made this difference.

  • They maintained support for Saunders, even after he’d lost, driving down the Democrat vote.
  • They supported the push to lock up Hillary.
  • They were directly involved in the chain of events that led to the Comey letter. The Comey letter can easily be argued as the event that swung the election to Trump.
  • They supported Trump at every opportunity.
  • They hacked (twice, without knowing they already had done the hack) then leaked the DNC servers, hugely embarrassing and discrediting Hillary.

The resources and volume of work done by the Russians shouldn’t be understated. This was a major campaign directed by Putin, with a huge amount of manpower.

Their actions were varied, from hacking, to posting on social media, to identity theft and financial support to extreme political groups. Their aim was to weaken the center, strengthen partisanship and discredit the electoral process.

The fact that their aims have been achieved at the very least shows their efforts could realistically have been effective. They may not have made a major impact, but it’s very hard to prove they did nothing.

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Ironic.

Most people don’t know that tumbleweeds are in fact an introduced pest from … Russia.

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Well well, he is human after all. What a guy.

What the actual ■■■■?!?

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What a ■■■■…look at me…it’s all about me

The F B Eye is one single department obviously.

Its a fair comment.
Why did the FBI miss all the signs?
Maybe they should be focusing on their core responsibilities rather than messing around trying to catch some Russian kids designing memes.

The FBI ■■■■■■ up with Dylan Roof and they’ve ■■■■■■ up again here.

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So by that token, is the Australian Govt involved in collusion with the Hilary campaign as their state broadcaster was overwhelmingly barracking for Clinton. Ditto the UK and its broadcasting arm, the BBC.

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It’s a fair comment that they may have missed detailed tip off.

Not in relation to the other investigation. They aren’t mutually exclusive. Nor should he comment. He needs to respect the rule of law and let the investigation run its course.

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Yep have to agree - the FBI failed its job even after this guy was brought to their attention. That absolutely should lead to some form of internal investigation to find improvements. That doesn’t though exclude them from other investigations in other areas. I have no real idea of the full manpower the FBI has at its disposal but I’ll hazard a guess that this was more a localised failure of a few agents rather than nothing but the Russia investigation being given attention.

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