Make the US Politics Thread Great Again


#5643

It’s an unknowable I guess.

Trump did well in a lot of traditionally democratic states simply because he wasn’t a ‘regular’ republican or democrat. Sanders may have performed similarly in traditionally republican states, given how far away from the ‘traditional democrat’ template he is.

However, Trump is a pretty strong data point that a deeper right policy slant WILL. Anyway, in a country with optional voting. winning general elections is all about getting voters from your side enthused about getting to the polls, rather than scraping off a few swinging voters from the middle.

On a related matter - the accepted ‘democrats must be moderate, polite, and bipartisan or wish alienating swinging voters’ wisdom seems bizarre in a country that just elected a guy who ran on a platform as far from moderate, polite, or bipartisan as you can get. If there’s one thing I think politicians on all sides and in all countries are starting to learn right now, it’s that the electoral price for ignorance, lies, authoritarianism, racism, and disdain for democracy is much, much lower than they had assumed. The rightwing parties to me seem to be in the vanguard of this movement right now, but I suspect all across the world, polite and conventional campaign strategic plans are increasingly lining the bins of left-wing political offices too.


#5644

There’s a bit of a concensus that Trump’s “I’m an outsider and will drain the swamp and you poor people are getting ripped and I’ll be your saviour” theme got him over the line.

Sanders had a lower-key version of that and might have actually done some of it.


#5645

I’m not of the opinion the Democrats should slide left as a response to Trump.

Please just let the next President be boring, and competent, and capable of empathy.


#5646

That’s the consensus by people who don’t want to say “blaming all the immigrants and making the USA white again” was what got him over. Plus Comey and the Russians.


#5647

Those factors contributed, no doubt.


#5648

I share that wish, but it will never happen.
Americans always vote for the least boring candidate.
Which I guess means that Dukakis and Ford must have been Very boring indeed.


#5649

There’s also a reasonable percentage of Obama voters who went on to become Trump voters. Bernie primary fans who went on to be Trump voters.

Definitely a consistent “outsider” vote.


#5650

My hobby is typing impossibly forlorn wishes in political threads.

I wonder what would have happened if the boring H.W. got a second term.


#5651

Haha that could work. “You will go days at a time without thinking or hearing about me.”


#5652

Make America Boring Again

#MABA


#5653

■■■■ it, elect tiger woods

Make America ■■■■■ Again

#MAHA


#5654

I would vote for that.


#5655

RE the Bernie vs Clinton comments

Remember the tiny voting difference in the key states that gave Trump the electoral college. The votes given to the greens was greater than the margin Hillary lost by. There is an argument the never Hillary voters who voted green lost her the election. Bernie gets those votes in the Midwest and he wins.


#5656

“I did not have sexual relations with… oh you KNOW I did!!” President WOODS has a whole new meaning.


#5657

How do you draw the conclusion in your last sentence from the data in the first?


#5658

The vote was so close that there are any number of factors that if switched could have won her the election.

But switching Bernie for Hillary and assuming everything else stays the same except the green vote is pretty unlikely. Whether guys like @dingus above or myself are correct, there would be an awful lot more changing when you switch those two than a few people who voted green in some key states switching votes.


#5659

Bernie an outsider. Trump an outsider. Obama relative to McCain was the outside agent of change choice. That at least a small subset could move between these very different candidates. No more than that.


#5660

USA! USA! USA!


#5661

Hillary, you lost.


#5662

You do realise you’ve taken 3 data points out of a plethora of data and decided that the correlation (if it really is that) is causation?