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#6707

They want Rosenstein gone by hook or by crook, we’ll find out on Thursday after their ‘meeting’, but if they believe Mueller is closing in they want Rosenstein out of the way. Its not just possible but probable that they are fabricating fake news about Rosenstein to justify his sacking and avoid the obvious obstruction.


#6708

Oh no! They laughed at him. Tweet-storm coming!


#6709

I don’t care if he is put on the judiciary or sent away but these allegations are pretty lame on any level of standards. I know you want to cling to them because he is “conservative” but at least be honest and admit they hardly seem very credibly disturbing or paint a picture of a guy who sexually assaults women.


#6710

I see the allegations as credible enough to discredit the guy from holding a critically important job for life. Previous nominees have been rejected or withdrew for a lot less. Previous nominees were given far more thorough examinations. The fact that the Republicans are pushing forward is more that they have a short window to get someone elevated, less and less that they want Kavanag himself.


#6711

Also, if Kavanagh gets elevated, he will be the first nominee supported by less than 50% of the population to do so in US history. Every previous nomination had at least~55% approval in the general population.


#6712

I’m not entirely comfortable with the allegations or the method for airing them.
It’s hard for me to not to agree with Trump (I know) that they’re entirely political.

That’s not to say I think the allegations shouldn’t be heard.
They absolutely should.
Just not in this way.

Edit: And yes, I realise this is not a very popular view just now.


#6713

So something (not rape, not sexual assault of a high degree) that happened when you were around 19 should stop you ever reaching certain heights?

Not sure I agree with you there.


#6714

Can we somehow keep Michael Avenatti away from this process?


#6715

The guy has been accused of attempted rape at 19. He is accused of pinning her down, covering her mouth, attempting to remove her pants in an attempt to rape her, with friends in the room guarding the door. To me, that’s not minor, that’s pretty ■■■■■■ up.

If he had succeeded at rape at 19 be so different? Morally is an incompetent rapist a better person than a competent one?

Now once he’s nominated, he’s there for life, no matter what else appears over time. The way these things tend to go is accusations gradually come out. If in 2 weeks time a credible charge came forward, it’s too late. You can’t get rid of him once he’s elevated. In any reasonable situation this guy would be given a more thorough examination because there’s enough doubt here to warrant it.

The only reason he’s being rushed is the GOP is running out of time before the midterms. The clock is ticking and they either need this to happen NOW or withdraw him immediately and start anew with someone else. And that someone else will need to be rushed through after the midterms. This is their one shot of securing a conservative majority on the Supreme Court for decades. It’s the right political move, but morally it stinks.


#6716

Its got nothing with him being a conservative. I was fine with Al Franken being shown the door for less. I have explicitly stated I believe Keith Ellison’s accuser. It’s about believing women when they come forward at great risk and speak out against men who frankly, survive/thrive in life by getting away with criminal behavior. I don’t care what party he is from but I don’t want sexual predators determining laws, rules, policies that will directly impact my family. Maybe that is selfish.

I don’t want to get into an argument with you IT so I will just leave this here. Maybe we do need higher standards so boys know that acting in such a way WILL impact the rest of their life just like their behavior impacts the rest of their victims lives.


#6717

That is of course, if it is true. I am not sure it is what she is now claiming it to be.


#6718

Equally the accusations ONLY came out once he was nominated. No attempt was made to do anything about before then and yet he has been a judge for many years. There has been plenty of time over the years for someone to stop this guy if he is as bad as they are trying to claim.


#6719

Look I understand where your head is at. Innocent until proven guilty.

It’s been a disturbing and enlightening few days reading some of the whyididntreport hashtagged stories on twitter. There’s a lot of barriers that stop girls and women from reporting, be they social, institutional or psychological. And when it is reported, something like 95% cannot be proven in court.

When you consider that ~10% of female university students say they were sexually assaulted or raped, the disconnect between crime and conviction rate would be enough to deter many from doing anything about it.

Where I’m at is this. The guy isn’t being charged with a crime, he’s being vetted for the most powerful job in the nation, for life. He’s the balance of power on the Supreme Court, which in a way has more power than the President. Reasonable concerns should be enough to look for another candidate. There’s plenty of other candidates, in fact there’s plenty of better candidates who would be easier and better qualified to elevate.


#6720

Well he’s faced absolutely no consequence for it up until now.


#6721

Reproductive rights for all women in the US will be something this turd will be arbiter of. Was apparently part of the “Renate Alumnus”. Good bloke.


#6722

So should we let Weinstein and Cosby off, as well as all the paedo priests, because we didn’t know about those for decades?

I’m actually a little in your camp on this one, at least initially. I would like these accusations to have a bit more substance to them, before they potentially set a precedent on what will get someone voted against by Dems (the Republicans have pretty much conceded they don’t care). The fact someone else has come out with a similar (albeit far less of an offence) claim and that Kavanaugh’s friends won’t make themselves available to testify on his behalf does lend credence however, and I’m happier knocking back his nomination on those grounds.

Of course, IMO the fact he’s clearly lied on other issues under oath is unacceptable, and I’m not sure why the Dems and Feinstein in particular haven’t pounded on this point.


#6723

That would be incorrect. Stories about them have been around pretty much the whole time. Most have known, just that very little was done until now.


#6724

You mean rumours in their communities. And they were up to date as they kept doing it. How do you know there weren’t similar stories around 39 years ago in Kavanaugh and/or his victim’s communities?


#6725

Cosby and at least some of the priests have faced trial.
As they should.


#6726

cnbc.com

Kavanaugh accuser Swetnick details parties where girls allegedly raped

Dan Mangan, Kevin Breuninger

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A third accuser of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh on Wednesday publicly identified herself and alleged that Kavanaugh and others in the early 1980s spiked the drinks of girls at high school parties with intoxicants to make it easier for them to be gang raped.

The woman, Julie Swetnick, said Kavanaugh lined up with other boys, including his close friend Mark Judge, waiting to rape those girls at many parties — and that she once became a victim herself.

The allegations were detailed in an affidavit, signed under penalty of perjury, that was released by Swetnick’s lawyer, Michael Avenatti. Her statement was sent to a senior staffer on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Swetnick’s stunning claims came on the eve of scheduled testimony at that committee by Kavanaugh, 53, and his first accuser, Christine Blasey Ford.

The now-51-year-old research psychologist Ford claims Kavanaugh held her down on a bed when she was 15 and groped her during a gathering in the 1980s while Judge watched.

Another woman, Kavanaugh’s Yale University classmate Deborah Ramirez, has accused him of exposing himself and causing her to touch his ■■■■■ at a boozy dorm party.

The latest accusations from Swetnick against Kavanaugh, a federal appeals court judge, could make his already imperiled nomination to the Supreme Court even less likely to succeed.

All 10 Democrats on the Judiciary Committee on Wednesday urged President Donald Trump to either “immediately withdraw the nomination or order an FBI investigation into all the allegations.”

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Source: Michael Avenatti

Kavanaugh called Swetnick’s allegations “ridiculous and from the Twilight Zone.”

“I don’t know who this is and this never happened,” Kavanaugh said

He told Fox News earlier this week that “I’ve never sexually assaulted anyone.”

In a letter to Judiciary Committee leaders made public after Swetnick’s claims, Kavanaugh vowed not to withdraw his nomination.

But Avenatti, during an interview with MSNBC, said, “There should be an immediate investigation” of her accusations “and there should be no rush to confirm him to the U.S. Supreme Court.”

“The allegations in this declaration are shocking,” Avenatti said.

Trump blasted the claims in a tweet calling Avenatti “a third rate lawyer who is good at making false accusations like he did on me and like he is now doing on Judge Brett Kavanaugh.”

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Avenatti immediately fired back:

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Trump’s press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, told CNBC that the White House “stands with Kavanaugh.”

Judge’s lawyer, Barbara Van Gelder, said, “Mr. Judge vehemently denies the allegations contained in the Swetnick affidavit.”

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Source: Fox News

Swetnick, a 55-year-old certified systems engineer who did not immediately respond to a request for comment, identified herself in the affidavit as a resident of Washington, D.C. While Avenatti had generally described Swetnick’s allegations in an email to the Judiciary Committee on Sunday, he had not previously identified her until Wednesday.

A 1980 graduate of Gaithersburg High School in Maryland, she said she has held multiple clearances for work done at the Treasury Department, U.S. Mint, IRS, State Department and Justice Department, among other government agencies.

Swetnick says in her affidavit that she saw Kavanaugh in the early 1980s “drink excessively at many” house parties in suburban Maryland. At the time, Kavanaugh and Judge were students at Georgetown Prep, a private Catholic all-boys school.

She said Kavanaugh and Judge engaged in “abusive and physically agressive behavior toward girls,” which “included the fondling and groping of girls without their consent” and “not taking ‘No’ for an answer.”

During the years of 1981 and 1982, she said, she learned of efforts by Kavanaugh, his friend Judge and others "to spike the drinks of girls at house parties I attended with grain alcohol and/or drugs so as to cause girls to lose inhibitions and their ability to say ‘No.’ "

Certain girls were targeted by those boys, and “it was usually a girl that was especially vulnerable because she was alone at the party or shy,” Swetnick claimed.

Swetnick said she “witnessed efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to cause girls to become inebriated and disoriented so they could then be ‘gang raped’ in a side room or bedroom by a ‘train’ of numerous boys.”

“I have a firm recollection of seeing boys lined up outside rooms at many of these parties waiting for their ‘turn’ with a girl inside the room,” Swetnick said. “These boys included Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh.”

She also said in her affidavit sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee that in approximately 1982 “I became the victim of one of these ‘gang’ or ‘train’ rapes where Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh were present.”

“Shortly after the incident, I shared what had transpired with at least two other people,” Swetnick said.

“During the incident, I was incapacitated without my consent and unable to fight off the boys raping me. I believe I was drugged using Quaaludes or something similar placed in what I was drinking.”

She says that she shared the story of her own rape with “at least two other people” shortly afterward.

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Avenatti told MSNBC that “My client has been issued a number of security clearances by the federal government over the years. She has been fully vetted time and time again, and she is an honest and courageous woman.”

“And I’m going to caution Donald Trump, Brett Kavanagh, [Senate Judiciary] Chairman [Chuck] Grassley and others, if they try to come after my client or engage in some smear campaign, they better pack a lunch because we’re going to respond twofold,” Avenatti said.

“We are going to respond double as it relates to force. So they better be very careful before they start spewing nonsense and trying to call my client a liar.”

A spokesman for Grassley, R-Iowa, said the committee’s lawyers “are in the process of reviewing” Swetnick’s affidavit.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said he believed Kavanaugh’s nomination should withdrawn, or that Trump should order the FBI to reopen its background check investigation of the judge.

“There are now multiple, corroborated allegations against Judge Kavanaugh, made under penalty of perjury, all of which deserve a thorough investigation,” Schumer said.

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., called Swetnick’s allegations “horrifying.”

“It is important to note that it is an affidavit and she has signed it under [penalty of perjury]. So people don’t do this randomly. It needs to be investigated, absolutely,” Murray said during an interview with MSNBC.

“I believe that there are responsible Republicans who are going to share the view that it is not just a Supreme Court nominee that is on trial right now. It is the United States Senate.”

Before he took Swetnick’s case, Avenatti already was well-known as the attorney for Stormy Daniels, the ■■■■ star who says she had sexual affair with Trump in 2006, months after his wife Melania gave birth to their son.

Daniels was paid $130,000 in hush money by Trump’s then-personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, shortly before the 2016 presidential election that sent Trump to the White House.

Cohen last month pleaded guilty to tax crimes and to violating campaign finance law with the payment to Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford.

Cohen during his plea hearing told a judge that he had paid Daniels at the behest of Trump for the purpose of affecting the presidential election.

Trump, who has admitted reimbursing Cohen, has not been charged in the case.

Avenatti has said he is exploring a run for the presidency himself in 2020.

— Additional reporting by CNBC’s Tucker Higgins , Christina Wilkie , and John Schoen

Download Swetnick’s affidavit or read it here: