Re. The Fall, yeah 80-83 is strong. Another entry point I found was the Brix Smith era, where they had a pop sensibility about them at times. Took me years to appreciate and enjoy them. In the 90’s I was obsessed with Pavement and now when I listen to any of their first few offerings, all I hear is The Fall.
I reckon they’re a band that’s just as interesting to read or watch a doco about as they are to listen to. The prickly ramblings of Mark E.Smith, his unique lyrical and vocal style, the 70 odd band members in 40 years who have either been sacked or gotten sick of him, he looks about 80 now. In one of the docos one of the interviewees, it may have been Phill Jupitus said something along the lines of still listening to them and loving them but thinking they’re the worst band he’s ever heard.