Plastic bags

You’re in the highest percentile of whinging millennials. That’s quite an achievement.

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yeah, well you squandered the golden age of australia.



if im honest i had nfi what was going on yesterday morning.


Just yesterday morning?

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Never go full Barnz.

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Breaks down plastic and can then be used for 3D printing. Fantastic stuff.

Edit: Imagine having something like this in every school? Kids could learn about the environment, could learn about computer programming to design 3D printing designs, engineering, construction, art (sculpture), etc. The list is endless. Or have one in the local Mens Shed and Library for the whole community to use? You download a 3D design off the interwebz, bring your plastic to the machine and away you go. Want to make a flower-pot for your Mum for her birthday? Just bring a handful of milk bottles. Need a new doorstop? You’ll need 2 ice-cream tubs. Want an over-size novelty coffee mug? Bring down some bags and a couple of those trays that your sausages came with.


Coles mini shop - is to me a waste of plastic toys…along with all other plastic toys, they get a few uses then thrown out. plus all the packaging.

But my son likes it and adds items to his mini kitchen.

I never spend enough to get the toys, but Wife and Nanna does.

Gotta get the kids brand recognition happening early.
An insidious thing that promo is.


The below article i thought was an interesting take on how we got to this position with disposables etc. US based, but i’m sure drove a lot of this internationally. i note that last year that the NT (i think?) had issues trying to introduce a bottle deposit scheme due to push back from Coke. the more things change, the more they stay the same…

More Recycling Won’t Solve Plastic Pollution

It’s a lie that wasteful consumers cause the problem and that changing our individual habits can fix it

More Recycling Won't Solve Plastic Pollution

Credit: Dave and Les Jacobs Getty Images

The only thing worse than being lied to is not knowing you’re being lied to. It’s true that plastic pollution is a huge problem, of planetary proportions. And it’s true we could all do more to reduce our plastic footprint. The lie is that blame for the plastic problem is wasteful consumers and that changing our individual habits will fix it.

Recycling plastic is to saving the Earth what hammering a nail is to halting a falling skyscraper. You struggle to find a place to do it and feel pleased when you succeed. But your effort is wholly inadequate and distracts from the real problem of why the building is collapsing in the first place. The real problem is that single-use plastic—the very idea of producing plastic items like grocery bags, which we use for an average of 12 minutes but can persist in the environment for half a millennium—is an incredibly reckless abuse of technology. Encouraging individuals to recycle more will never solve the problem of a massive production of single-use plastic that should have been avoided in the first place.

As an ecologist and evolutionary biologist, I have had a disturbing window into the accumulating literature on the hazards of plastic pollution. Scientists have long recognized that plastics biodegrade slowly, if at all, and pose multiple threats to wildlife through entanglement and consumption. More recent reports highlight dangers posed by absorption of toxic chemicals in the water and by plastic odors that mimic some species’ natural food.

Plastics also accumulate up the food chain, and studies now show that we are likely ingesting it ourselves in seafood. If we consumers are to blame, how is it possible that we fail to react when a study reports that there will be more plastic than fish in the oceans by 2050? I would argue the simple answer is that it is hard. And the reason why it is hard has an interesting history.

Beginning in the 1950s, big beverage companies like Coca-Cola and Anheuser-Busch, along with Phillip Morris and others, formed a non-profit called Keep America Beautiful. Its mission is/was to educate and encourage environmental stewardship in the public. Joining forces with the Ad Council (the public service announcement geniuses behind Smokey the Bear and McGruff the Crime Dog), one of their first and most lasting impacts was bringing “litterbug” into the American lexiconthrough their marketing campaigns against thoughtless individuals.

Two decades later, their “Crying Indian” PSA, would become hugely influential for the U.S. environmental movement. In the ad, a Native American man canoes up to a highway, where a motorist tosses a bag of trash. The camera pans up to show a tear rolling down the man’s cheek. By tapping into a shared national guilt for the history of mistreatment of Native Americans and the sins of a throwaway society, the PSA became a powerful symbol to motivate behavioral change. More recently, the Ad Council and Keep America Beautiful teams produced the “I Want to Be Recycled” campaign, which urges consumers to imagine the reincarnation of shampoo bottles and boxes, following the collection and processing of materials to the remolding of the next generation of products.

At face value, these efforts seem benevolent, but they obscure the real problem, which is the role that corporate polluters play in the plastic problem. This clever misdirection has led journalist and author Heather Rogers to describe Keep America Beautiful as the first corporate greenwashing front, as it has helped shift the public focus to consumer recycling behavior and actively thwarted legislation that would increase extended producer responsibility for waste management.

For example, back in 1953, Vermont passed a piece of legislation called the Beverage Container Law, which outlawed the sale of beverages in non-refillable containers. Single-use packaging was just being developed, and manufacturers were excited about the much higher profit margins associated with selling containers along with their products, rather than having to be in charge of recycling or cleaning and reusing them. Keep America Beautiful was founded that year and began working to thwart such legislation. Vermont lawmakers allowed the measure to lapse after four years, and the single-use container industry expanded, unfettered, for almost 20 years.

In 1971 Oregon reacted to a growing trash problem by becoming the first U.S. state to pass a “bottle bill,” requiring a five-cent deposit on beverage containers that would be refunded upon the container’s return. Bottle bills provide a strong incentive for container reuse and recycling, and the 10 states with bottle deposit laws have around 60 percent container recovery rates compared to 24 percent in states without them. Yet Keep America Beautiful and other industrial lobbying groups have publicly opposed or marketed against bottle deposit legislation for decades, as it threatens their bottom line. Between 1989 and 1994 the beverage industry spent $14 million to defeat the National Bottle Bill.

In fact, the greatest success of Keep America Beautiful has been to shift the onus of environmental responsibility onto the public while simultaneously becoming a trusted name in the environmental movement. This psychological misdirect has built public support for a legal framework that punishes individual litterers with hefty fines or jail time, while imposing almost no responsibility on plastic manufacturers for the numerous environmental, economic and health hazards imposed by their products.

Because of a legal system that favors corporate generation of plastic, plus public acceptance of single-use items as part of the modern economy, consumers who want to reduce their plastic footprint are faced with a host of challenges. We should carry around reusable beverage and takeout containers. We should avoid bottled water or sodas at all costs. When we have to accept a single-use plastic container, we should inform ourselves about the complex nuances of which types of plastic are acceptable (No. 1–3, but not No. 5?), which forms are acceptable (bottles and jugs, but not bags?) and where they can be deposited (curbside or at a special location?).

In the case of most restaurants and gas stations, which almost never have customer-facing recycling facilities even where required by law, we should transport recyclables to another location that does recycle. Even then, we must live with the knowledge that plastics generally degrade with recycling, such that plastic bottles are more often turned into non-recyclable carpets and synthetic clothes than more bottles. Effectively, we have accepted individual responsibility for a problem we have little control over. We can swim against this plastic stream with all our might and fail to make much headway. At some point we need to address the source.

According to a 2016 Pew Research poll, 74 percent of Americans think the government should do “whatever it takes to protect the environment.” So what would swift, informed and effective governmental action to stop the pollution of our water, food and bodies look like?

Legislators could make laws that incentivize and facilitate recycling, like the national bottle deposit and bag tax bills that were proposed in 2009. These bills would have created a nationwide five-cent deposit on plastic bottles and other containers, and a nonrefundable five-cent charge on plastic bags at checkout. The U.K. launched a similar charge on all single-use grocery bags in 2015 and announced a nationwide bottle deposit requirement in March of this year. Within six months of the plastic bag charge being in place, usage dropped over 80 percent. Similarly, in Germany, where a nationwide bottle bill was put in place in 2003, recycling rates have exceeded 98 percent. In the U.S. these actions would go a long way toward recovering the estimated $8 billion yearly economic opportunity cost of plastic waste.

Other actions could include a ban or “opt-in” policy on single-use items like plastic straws. That is, single-use plastic items would not be available or only upon request. A small tweak like this can lead to huge changes in consumer behavior, by making wastefulness an active choice rather than the status quo. Such measures were recently adopted by several U.S. cities, and are under consideration in California and the U.K.

And yet, some plastic producers continue to oppose legislation that would eat into their profit margins. Though California and Hawaii have banned the free distribution of plastic bags at checkout, a result of lobbying is that 10 U.S. states now have preemption laws preventing municipalities from regulating plastic at the local level. Plastic producers see their profits threatened and have taken a familiar tactic, forming the Save the Plastic Bag Coalition and the American Progressive Bag Alliance to fight bag bans under the guise of defending customers’ finances and freedom to choose.

So what can we do to make responsible use of plastic a reality? First: reject the lie. Litterbugs are not responsible for the global ecological disaster of plastic. Humans can only function to the best of their abilities, given time, mental bandwidth and systemic constraints. Our huge problem with plastic is the result of a permissive legal framework that has allowed the uncontrolled rise of plastic pollution, despite clear evidence of the harm it causes to local communities and the world’s oceans. Recycling is also too hard in most parts of the U.S. and lacks the proper incentives to make it work well.

Second: talk about our plastic problem loudly and often. Start conversations with your family members and friends. Call your local and federal representatives to support bottle bills, plastic bag taxes and increased producer responsibility for reuse and recycling. Stand up against preemptive bans on local plastic regulation. There are signs that corporations are listening to consumer opinions, too. After numerous petitions from customers and environmental organizations, McDonalds has pledged to use only sustainable packaging materials by 2025 and to phase out Styrofoam by the year’s end.

Third: think bigger. There is now serious talk of zero waste. Instead of trying to reduce waste by a small fraction, some individuals and communities are shifting their lifestyles to ensure that nearly everything is reused, recycled or composted. Non-recyclable straws and to-go cup lids do not fit into this system. Though inspiring, a zero waste lifestyle will be impractical or impossible for most of us within current economic systems.

A better alternative is the circular economy model, where waste is minimized by planning in advance how materials can be reused and recycled at a product’s end of life rather than trying to figure that out after the fact. To make this happen, we can support groups like the Ellen MacArthur Foundation that are partnering with industry to incorporate “cradle-to-cradle” (i.e., circular economic) design into their products.

This could be our future—a future of clean cities, rivers and beaches but also simpler, more responsible choices for consumers. There are now too many humans and too much plastic on this pale blue dot to continue planning our industrial expansions on a quarterly basis. It’s time to stop blaming consumers for our plastic crisis and demand a better system.

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Why stop at plastic bags.

Ban all plastic by a certain date.
Create a Tax on plastic make it not the “Cheap” option in the mean time.

Also every state and territory should have the 10c glass/aluminium bottle return

Those were the days.

Spending the mornings collecting empty soft drink bottles and then spending the arvo playing space invaders at the fish n chip shop with a pocket full of 20 cent pieces!

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We used to climb the back fence of the milk bar, pinch some bottles, then go around the front and cash them in.

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Mrs Doe’s uncle had a plastic bag with a $1 special mark down sticker and he’d fill it up with expensive fruit when he went to the supermarket. He said he picked the checkout with the young school kids because they had no idea. (He used very colourful language to describe them). He’d also stuff a handful of peanuts in his pocket and eat them as he strolled the store. Apparently, the store staff knew all this but he was a local character and they let it go.



That’s cute Albert. But…, you did insult the family, so you’ll have to be dealt with.
Given your greeny credentials we’ll forgo concrete and use recycled glass shoes instead.


Get one of your goombah campesanos to pop a couple of caps in his bottom.

Me too. And it seems we are going back o those times again.

here’s an interesting nugget…

Plastic bag found in Sunshine Coast waterway could be up to 40 years old and it’s just the tip of the iceberg

By Tessa Mapstone

about 7 hours ago


A torn, branded plastic bag is spread out on a concrete floor.|700x467 Photo: This plastic bag found under 8m of water on the Sunshine Coast is thought to be 30–40 years old. (Supplied: Elliott Peters)

Covered in silt and tangled among rocks, a single-use plastic bag found under eight metres of water on Queensland’s Sunshine Coast could be up to 40 years old — and the find is just the tip of the rubbish iceberg.

Key points:

  • Plastic film is the third most common type of litter in Australian waters
  • Volunteer divers on the Sunshine Coast have pulled almost 550kg of rubbish from two waterways in just eight months
  • Sunshine Coast items retrieved include 25km of discarded fishing line and more than 7,000 individual items

Audio: ‘Mind-blowing’ branded plastic bag discovery in Sunshine Coast waters(ABC News)

The KFC bag was discovered by a volunteer group called Sunshine Coast Clean Up Divers (SCCUD) in the Pumicestone Passage at Bulcock Beach, Caloundra, an area known for its sandy beaches and crystal clear waters.

The group’s organiser Elliot Peters said he sent a photograph of the bag to the fast food chain, which estimated it was 30 to 40 years old, based on the logo.

“It’s hard to say [how long the bag had been there], but obviously you don’t keep a KFC bag lying around and then drop it into the water 40 years later, so it’s obviously been around in the environment somewhere, whether underwater or not,” Mr Peters said.

"Either way, that’s pretty mind-blowing.

“We hear about how long plastics last, especially as microplastics, but for a plastic bag that wasn’t really thick … and still mainly intact and identifiable and 40 years old.”

A man holds old casting nets in front of a shed. |700x467 Photo: Elliot Peters says discarded fishing items, like these casting nets, are a constant problem in the waterways. (ABC Sunshine Coast: Tessa Mapstone)

Since the group of recreational divers began monthly operations in the Pumicestone Passage and the Mooloolah River, they have collected almost 550 kilograms of rubbish from the estuary beds.

While the KFC bag was an unusual find, it was not unprecedented in the state.

Researchers from the University of the Sunshine Coast recently found a 1971 Coles bag amongst mangroves in Moreton Bay.

They also found a Woolworths bag and sarsaparilla can, each thought to be more than three decades old, at Hervey Bay.

A dirty branded plastic bag and drinking can lie on a blue tarp. |700x467 Photo: A Woolworths branded plastic bag and soft drink can collected from a Hervey Bay beach are thought to be more than 30 years old. (Supplied: University of the Sunshine Coast)

Breaking it down

Plastic film — including the remnants of plastic bags — was the third most common kind of litter pulled from Australian waters, according to data collected by the Australian Marine Debris Initiative.

Nationally, volunteers collected 155,000 individual pieces of plastic film in the past year.

More than 640,000 pieces of hard plastic were gathered, along with 213,000 cigarette butts and filters.

Sunlight — or UV radiation — is the key to plastic breakdown, and salt water can have little effect on things like plastic bags, CSIRO principal research scientist Denise Hardesty said.

“Basically the sunlight breaks the bonds of those molecules — the different polymers, the different types of plastic,” Dr Hardesty said.

"For example, [if you have] ever had a plastic chair outside in your garden … as it gets old it kind of flakes off, the little outer bits become really brittle — that’s from the sunlight.

“The plastic is breaking into smaller and smaller pieces, [but] it’s not disappearing.”

A tarp is covered in piles of fishing line and assorted waste. |700x467 Photo: One dive in the Pumicestone Passage recovered this haul, from sinkers, hooks and lures to glass bottles and knives. (Supplied: Elliott Peters)

The problem with plastic

Almost a year since single-use plastic bags were banned in Queensland, researchers at the University of the Sunshine Coast were working on measuring the impact of the ban across South East Queensland, but that was no simple task.

What is clear is the impact plastic pollution is already having on the environment.

Marine biologist Dr Kathy Townsend was part of study, published in the Marine Pollution Bulletin, that found 90 per cent of the plastics ingested by seabirds were 2-10mm long — the most abundant floating litter in the ocean.

“As we can see, plastic debris can last a very long time, increasing the ingestion risk to sea turtles and sea birds,” she said.

Dr Townsend said these findings and earlier studies into the impact of ocean debris on marine life highlighted the need to reduce single-use plastic production and usage, increase recycling and prevent plastic from making its way to the sea.

The tip of the iceberg

A man holds a partially-decomposed tyre with sea life growing on it. |340x453 Photo: Volunteer diver Paul Eddison sorts rubbish recovered from Sunshine Coast waters. (ABC Sunshine Coast: Tessa Mapstone)

While the Pumicestone Passage was abundant with “beautiful” marine life, Mr Peters said there were also tyres, car batteries, construction materials, casting nets and the biggest waste problem the divers face — discarded fishing line.

After each dive, the group separated the waste they recovered for reuse and recycling.

Mr Peters estimated they had recovered about 25 kilometres of recreational fishing line in just eight months, collecting between 500 metres to 2km on each outing.

“We don’t think it’s people just discarding it, it’s pretty clear usually that it’s from snagging,” Mr Peters said.

Mr Peters hoped greater awareness, and the development of more sustainable fishing products would make a difference in the future.

Zero-waste approach

Sinkers can be melted down, lures can be redistributed to fishers, mobile phones sent off for metal recovery and anything that can be, is recycled.

Creatives were finding unique ways to give other items a new life.

Artist Jo Male crafted ropes, lures and even pieces of crab-pot piping into whimsical one-off jewellery pieces.

“It transforms junk into a unique identity with its own name, story and message about caring for our environment,” Ms Male said.

A woman holds a necklace made of rope, sinkers and plastic piping, and a necklace made of string and fishing line on a table. |700x467 Photo: Diver Maycee Peters displays jewellery crafted from the rubbish made by artist Jo Male. (ABC Sunshine Coast: Tessa Mapstone; Supplied: Jo Male)

“Each piece not only challenges our attitudes and actions in relation to our environment, but provides an easy way for the wearer to educate others and simultaneously wear a one-off handmade piece of jewellery.”

Nine-year-old Currimundi schoolgirl Mia Bailey incorporated a casting net pulled from under a jetty into a high-fashion gown she created for the Australian Wearable Art Festival.

With the help of her mother Nena Bailey, Mia used chip packets, tarp, fabric scraps, plastic bottles and even thongs, to create fashion from rubbish.

“We wanted to do it because we wanted to save our ocean, because all this generation’s got to help pick up all the rubbish,” Mia said.

“So for all our generation, the ocean’s being saved, because so far the ocean’s got really terrible stuff in it.”

In other words, Queenslanders not only have strange voting habits, but they are also litterbugs. All they know is garbage. Swell. :wink: