Political Correctness

[rossoneri]

The pay gap got worse in the construction sector, not sure the CMFEU is doing its job there

[Henry_s_Angry_Pills]

Aww, you poor little darling.

[simmo41]

it’s a psych play.

the reason is this, lets say you took a good 3 months off instead.

your annual performance review discussion centers around well Baccus. you took 3 months and now I wonder about your commitment or value to the company.

it basically breaks the established social contract at work. that if you put in x amount of work a year you have earnt x amount a year time off.
(in most of the west, 4 weeks paid vacation)

the reason why its popular with companies. is that numerous HR studies have shown employees take LESS holidays as a result of being offered it.(tends to normalize at about 3 weeks per year).

I think you forgo your right to accumulate more than 4 weeks vacation time each year as a result.
(leave accumulation becomes a thing of the past, also reducing liability on the balance sheet)

Its largely popular in the USA in tech companies where they really want staff working as hard as possible to ship product ASAP.

Those policies are almost always unlimited unpaid leave.

[simmo41]

Probably because many of us work in workplaces with a diverse workforce so have some opinion on this.

lol everyone seems to have such strong opinions on this.

100s of studies about global warming trends = “listen to the experts everyone!”
100s of studies on gender pay gaps = "well gee I dunno because [anecdote]"

Thank you for backing up my point

[Henry_s_Angry_Pills]

Are you saying a bunch of predominantly white guys aren’t best placed to comment on diversity?

[somo84]

Legit request.

There’s been plenty of references to studies and evidence proving the existence of a pay gap but none have been linked. Can some one please provide them?

[simmo41]

Legit request.

There’s been plenty of references to studies and evidence proving the existence of a pay gap but none have been linked. Can some one please provide them?

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=gender+pay+gap+studies&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

[somo84]

Hold up a tick - are people denying a gender pay gap full stop? Men certainly earn more than women. The crux of the issue is whether or not it’s because of sexism.

[Henry_s_Angry_Pills]

Hold up a tick - are people denying a gender pay gap full stop?

Of course they are.
The same cretins who deny climate change is happening.
“Because damn lefties.”

[rossoneri]

Noo

[Bacchusfox]

Well I am not sure that the construciton industry is a good one to compare “gender gap”.

You know that

[handypoint]

Can be for sure.

It’s not really about whether your getting paid or not.

It’s the conversation about if your needed if your not there.

It’s not healthy… But hey don’t take my word for it, my opinion is based on discussions with business owners and articles and academic papers quoting stats.

Companies are offering it. Join one and find out.

[premature_rookie_ele]

it’s political correctness gone mad.

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i just came here to say that in case anyone hadn’t seen/heard it enough.

[rossoneri]

Why is that? We aren’t talking about the total number of employees of that gender, we are talking about average wage and how women are paid less than men.

[Bacchusfox]

Because in the Construction Industyr th highest paying jobs are for the qualified Tradesmen and the jobs with the most danger. Reckon that traditionally these have not be females roles.

I know John Setka well, so I will ask him if his Union discriminates against women when it comes to wage levels. Reckon I may be a spot of bother.

[somo84]

There ya go - I’ve never heard anyone say that. The prominent figures that refute the pay gap freely admit there’s a roughly 20% discrepancy in wages between the genders. They just deny that it’s due to sexism.

[Henry_s_Angry_Pills]

In these threads you’ll quickly learn there’s no racism, sexism, or economic or social disparities or inequity of any sort.
If anything, the world is rigged against white males.

It’s amazing.

[wannabe]

Yes, this is the main point, it exists, but only in a small part to sexism.

At least that’s what I tend to believe based on my research into the topic - and I tend to agree with Jordan Peterson’s views (which I am sure have been discussed in this thread I just didn’t go back far enough).

Sure, some bosses (male AND female) probably are sexist.

But there are obviously other reasons for the pay gap - depending on how it is measured.

Peterson suggests studies show that women on average tend to be more “agreeable”, and so when it comes to demanding/negotiating high salaries or pay rises they are less likely to chase them aggressively.

He also suggests that women (on average) are less motivated by salary than men. e.g., they might prefer work/life balance over salary rather than opting in to be a workaholic, and so are less likely to want to climb the corporate ladder.

Really, the best way to identify sexism is to look at women and men in the same company performing the same job with the same output and then look at how/why the salaries vary - keeping in mind there would be situations when men doing the same job are on different salaries. Variances could then be due to experience, qualifications, or other discriminatory factors (age, sex, religion).

[rossoneri]

You’ll also learn that people love to make generalising statements

[megz]

If your research includes agreeing with Jordan Peterson (another white, middle class man) you need to do more research