I think she is a representation of where our society is at. It's Trumplike. People no longer look.out for each other and instead are encouraged to act selfishly at the expense of those we should be actually supporting.


Absolutely. Reduce everyone to base categories. If you're not in the right one you're a problem.


Oh, many of them will be. Sitting on boards for industries they gave some leg up to at the expense of everyone else.


I have read and listened to everything Pauline has said and been reported.

I get you don't like her, but she is not saying what you suggest. You and others are picking out parts and using them for your own agenda. You are acting like ASADA.

Education is too farking important for all children for it to be such a political football. I would have thought that giving kids with special needs, the special needs needed is good.

Greens policy is all based on individuals and their rights, and you are happy to segregate when it suits. Now if you believe everyone should be treated equally then while it may be fair and just according to civil rights, but it completely farks over a kid with any sort of disability.

So call me a kunt but I would always support my taxes going to NDIS, specialist teachers and therapists, and aids to help people live happy lives. I do not believe in any segregation, but some of us need extra help and you know that.

Spit at the reported 11% who support PHON, they are the ones who keep her employed.


Living In QLD I'm shocked it's only 11%


Seriously you need to come home. Living in Adelaide was bad enough and then Wagga, but Qld will destroy you.

Send me your Wife's CV and I will find her a great job. You can look after the baby.


So SA are implementing a state bank tax, that will end well.

To implement by 1 July - just in time for this summers black outs.

Just to really tank their local economy


yeah every parent will have a different perspective of what their child needs and what issue that child may or may not cause, and then base that round what Hanson said. The simple fact is the spectrum is so varied and complex that every child and classroom will have different challenges.

My daughter is very lightly on the spectrum. Level 1. Half the time she is happy, funny and be all means, appears to no different to any other student, because at those times, she isn't any different..

However some the time she has 'turns' (I wont elaborate or get technical on what that means as takes too much time), which involves at least one teacher needing to get help her through it. This can last from a few minutes to an hour or more, sometimes multiple times per day, sometimes all day. During that time all the other kids are basically reduced to one teacher if it's bad.

Other parents have made comments to us along the lines of 'maybe she should be in a special school'. We try to explain she 1) doesn't qualify and 2) she from our point of view is 100% in the right place, wouldn't want that changed for anything because it's our child that benefits from being there.. And we wouldn't want any other Level 1 to be moved out of the classes either. Integration is the better model from our point of view in these cases.

However her teachers themselves (who are fantastic) , acknowledge that the rest of the class suffers during this time. It's just a fact. We've seen it, we live it.

I know my daughter causes issues. The teachers struggle, often. Managing a classroom of 4 year year olds isn't an easy task for one teacher.

There are other Level 1 kids in the other classes that need more attention than our daughter. Sometimes additional teacher resources come in but usually these are young girls studying child care, barely out of school themselves.

IMO Level 1 kids need to be in the normal classes, but yes they do cause issues for the teacher and by extension the rest of the class.

I'm not sure what truly motivates Pauline to say what she said. I find her more ignorant than spiteful. She mixed up a lot of issues in her usual barely coherent ramble, but they've been re-cut to to tell a worse story. Like that article a few posts up does quite well. Her fault sure, she leaves herself wide open for it , often. However any discussion that raises prospect of additional funding to help provide additional resources to compensate the strains teachers face would be money much needed. It's a better outcome than any talk of Level 1 segregation. Funding is the real issue and what matters is that these teachers and schools get need more funding to alleviate the strain that is happening in some classrooms, and also to make sure the specialist autistic schools and special schools in general are getting what they need.

The QLD support network for seeing OT's is quite good though but that is usually an observation role for an hour sometimes months apart depending on certain factors. Not sure on other states.

and BTW calling people ignorant ■■■■■ and advocating spitting on people wont advance any useful discussion.


Sounds almost to good to refuse, .. House Husband is a rewarding, far less stressful life, .. and an easy swap for Victorian Winters I would say ...


Thanks for your insight, very helpful for me.


True, queensland is turning me rabid.


A mate of mine is a high school science teacher and is at the high functioning of the spectrum. I might ask him what he thinks of this idea.


Or to look at it another, more accurate way, implement something that successive federal governments have lacked the cajones to do for years.


I must have missed the memo :slight_smile:

gorgeous weather on the GC today, but yeah it's political state is highly depressing.

you out west?


Did she only mention autistic children? I thought she spoke more generally.
Secondly lots on here have an opinion on how good it is for the kids to be in together.
What I'd like to know is has there been any research done on the effect of the disruption caused by all the kids together, to the learning of all the other kids?
Because it may well be that what's good for my kid for instance may not be any good for your kid.


As Incoming pointed out some kids require or even demand the full attention of a teacher or aid particularly when they have meltdowns. This is obviously not all the time but there are classes with multiple special needs kids. This has to have some level of negative effect on the rest of the class as well as the teacher.

Sending every kid outside the "norm" to special schools in not the answer & I don't believe this is what Hanson was saying despite how some want to paint it. Sending every kid to mainstream & hoping it masks the problems is also not the answer & we are starting to see some of those issues arising now. Maybe something in between where kids (on a case by case basis) spend some time in mainstream class & some time in better resourced & focused groups designed for their abilities & disabilities is the answer - I don't know. I've been told that many mainstream classes present sensory problems some kids struggle with - the lack of structure, too many visual stimulants etc. What I do know is that the issues needs more focus & if Hanson speaking out leads to more discussion - I think that's a positive.


I tend to agree with you. We have to be able to do better than we are. I know we don't score particularly well on international tests. And I cant see where there is any evidence that a "one size fits all" method to education is having the right outcome.
I just get sick and tired of people on line and then the MSM taking offence at everything that they don't agree with and stifling debate. We have heard from so many people saying their kid is Autistic and this and that is good for them. But we haven't heard from anyone saying my kid cant reach their full potential in a class with special needs kids. And we wont, because as soon as someone says something like that they will become a pariah, and accused of discrimination. Apparently though its OK for parents of special needs kids to say this should be about what my/our kid/s need and not about the needs of any other kid. (and that is not directed at anyone with special needs kids, but at the people who stifle debate)

Like BacchusFox said, when I first read what Hansen said, I thought I agree with her. Having said that my two kids are now in their thirties. But I know when they were at school I had to teach them grammar, how to read phonetically, Latin roots because that helps in understanding of words and language, and I used to send their homework sheets back to school with the teachers English corrected. I cant imagine it has improved in the past 20 years.
Add kids with special needs into the mix and I wonder how anyone learns anything.

I remember I worked with a lady whose husband was dyslexic and was doing law at Bond Uni. He apparently had someone next to him the whole time helping him take notes and decipher his reading texts, helping with his assignments etc. I remember thinking at the time "who is doing this degree?" Who is going to be the lawyer? And I also wondered is this the way of the future, are we going to employ people that need to have someone next to them the whole time?
I know lots of dyslexic people have gone on to be entrepreneurs and have great careers but I cant imagine they had someone sitting next to them the whole time. I don't know what happened to the guy, hopefully he went on to bigger and better things.
But I do think perhaps Hansen has ignited an education debate that we do need to have. Unfortunately it has morphed into a discrimination debate.


I reckon half the people I know could be diagnosed as "high functioning autistic", definitely one of my parents, 2 cousins and an aunt; and about half of my group of friends from uni (engineering). All are/have been useful members of society; all bar my old man are relatively normal in their own particular social circles and settings.


Is this actually current practise?


Appears to be.
I might be wrong and others on here are free to correct me.