She has a lot of trouble leading the party though
True but I donât think she rates as below par.
I have no idea what he was trying to say with that comment.
In a nutshell, ⌠those two guys took as to the world, and set us up to become one of the wealthiest countries in it, with the highest standard of living
They created the circumstances that led to the boom and the Golden Years.
If it wasnât for Howard wasting it splashing it out to the middle class and the high earners, to buy votes to stay in power,⌠we would have been completely set up for the 21st Century.
If only weâd have had either Hawk or Keating, or someone of their ilk & calibre in the chair for either the GST, or Tampa elections,âŚ,⌠* sigh"
Fk it,⌠Iâm getting sad now.
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NEWS
Sex Party transforms into new âReasonâ party
August 22 2017 - 8:53AM
The leader of the Australian Sex Party is growing up and launching a new âprudent and pragmaticâ political party named Reason to campaign at the next federal election.
Sex Party leader and Victorian MP Fiona Patten says the new party will draw inspiration from recently elected French president and centrist Emmanuel Macron to seek to capitalise on disaffected voters through a broader sweep of policies.
Ms Patten, a former sex worker and lobbyist who founded the Sex Party in 2009, had been considering renaming the party since she was elected to the Victorian upper house in 2014, but in the end decided to close it down and launch an entirely new party.
"The Sex Party was this grand, bright new child on the block. Now I think weâve grown up and weâre at another level.
âWeâd like to be part of a bigger movement that reflects whatâs going on internationally and also reflects on the fact that there needs to be a voice of reason in politics today to counter the extremist voice that is currently so loud.â
Ms Patten accused âextremistsâ in One Nation and the Liberal Party of taking control of the political debate and the major parties of being more focused on âhow they can score against each other rather than how they can improve Australiaâ.
Reason, which Ms Patten describes as ârelatively centristâ and civil libertarian, will continue to advocate for key Sex Party policies, such as legalisation of illicit drugs, assisted dying laws and same-sex marriage.
But it will also expand into housing affordability, small business, mitigating climate change and an economic policy that privileges the private sector and minimising tax.
âWeâre looking for pragmatic solutions, weâre not partisan, we will play well with others,â she said.
âThe notion of left and right is no longer relevant in the 21st century â our politics needs to be far more three-dimensional than that.â
She said Australia needed something similar to what Macron did in France when he beat far right candidate Marine Le Pen.
âMacron really identified with that disaffected voter. Sadly our young voters are the most disaffected voters of all â they donât know a time when they were interested.â
More organisations to come to Reason
Key players in developing the new party include corporate governance specialist and president of the Rationalist Society, Meredith Doig, and the designer of Laborâs Kevin07 campaign Camilla Cooke.
Ms Patten said more individuals and organisations, including political parties, would be announcing their involvement in the party in the coming weeks.
âCertainly when Iâve spoken to people from other parties there has been much enthusiasm for a new movement that really provides a commonsense voice of reason.â
Asked whether she expected Reason and its âprudent and pragmaticâ policies to have the same cut-through and irreverence as the Sex Party, Ms Patten insisted âweâre going to have a lot of fun with thisâ.
âThe interesting thing was when people looked past our name we were actually prudent and pragmatic. Who would have thought the Sex Party was prudish?â
Thereâs a hell of a lot of wrong here.
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Milne wasnât leader when Ruddâs climate package went down. Brown was. Getting basic facts wrong is not a good start to your analysis.
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Brown never had the chance to compromise with Rudd. Rudd wasnât even returning his phone calls. Rudd saw climate policy as a way to weaken Turnbull by turning the right wing of his party against him and provoking a challenge by some swivel-eyed lunatic like Abbott. Look how well that turned out.
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Ruddâs climate policy was kinda poo. It had to be, because otherwise Turnbull wouldnât even have been tempted to support it. If heâd wanted to pass it, he could have strengthened it and the Greens would have supported it. Or even better, he could have brought back a DIFFERENT climate package after the first one went down, which would have showed that he actually cared about the âgreatest moral challenge of our timeâ sincerely, rather than just finding it a convenient wedge to use against the Libs. Or he could have called a double dissolution. His approval was north of 60% at the time, he would have romped it in, and with a majority of both houses he could have written whatever the hell climate policy he wantedâŚ
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Gillardâs loss to Abbott had much more to do with Ruddâs undermining of her than anything else. The ALP were utterly unable to put pressure on Abbott cos as soon as they started, Rudd would leak something and Gillard would be on the back foot again.
More generally, the bullshite trend in modern political commentary of blaming people the people who try to do the right thing for the scumbag actions of their opponents is bullshite and needs to be called out as such. âStop loudly opposing racism, youâre making the Nazis more racist!â and âIf youâd merely laid down and accepted inadequate and feeble climate policies, then Abbott wouldnât have had the chance to implement terrible ones!â
Pfft. Lay the blame wher it damn well belongs, on the loons and shills and delusional science deniers on the Coalition side, and the cowards in their own party that refuse to call them out. Does anyone REALLY think Abbott would have left ruddâs climate policy intact any more than he did Gillardâs?
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Edit: For Milne read Brown/ Milne. Iâll take it as a comment that Rudd was not committed to climate change as a policy.
But that IS just what democracy is about in the real world!
Here is a report even from before the rise of Trump:
âUsing data drawn from over 1800 different policy initiatives from 1981 to 2002, the [study concluded] that rich, well-connected individuals on the political scene now steer the direction of the country, regardless of, or even against the will of, the majority of voters.â
Are you a comedy act? Very funny!
Typical rightist bullying.
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It worked at what? Ripping off people for zero benefit?
It was removed because it was unpopular. It was unpopular because people were able to see it for what it was.
You mean for what they were told it was.
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oh look, itâs captain google, ironically this time not looking at google.
You say you have no idea what Iâm saying, then rue the fact that your party didnât have leaders like them when they needed them most.
Mate, for your party to be what it should, Hawke and Keating should be the bar all who follow should have been measured against, how does Rudd, Gillard, Shorton, Beasley, Crean measure against those two?
Yet here we are again with Shorton leading labor to another election
With a 33% preferred PM rating, against Malcom â â â â â â â Turnbull and the worst government in 100 years.
Thatâs a â â â â â â â disgrace.
Shorton seems like a good guy tbh, but he just doesnât resonate with the country.
And you talk about RD allowing Hanson in, â â â â me, If you guys donât stop flogging a dead horse and find a good potential PM in your ranks your going to have subjected the country to another 3 years of this â â â â , and the countless damage that goes with it.
SooooooâŚno more preference deals to the Coalition?
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You are really full of crap tonight Benno !
How would you know about Hawke and Keating, you were about six years old back then. And while Paul Keating was a great PM , he was not liked by most people. Bob Hawke was a showboat who ultimately screwed over all workers.
Your Greens have some good policy, but are the biggest opportunists and compromises going around. They need to learn from the Greens in Europe about turning words into actions.
Bill Shorten will make a good PM, and I hope it happens soon.
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Lol, I voted Keating twice, and your right, a lot of people didnât like him, but there was no doubt he was a strong leader
The only reason why I hope to see Shorton is PM is because he is not the liberal leader.
But itâs not looking like thatâs going to happen.
Government trying to speed up the High Court process on dual citizenship. Reported comments by the Solicitor General that Joyce and Canavan likely to accept dual citizenship status and that AG will meet costs of all those subject to referrals, (as well as offering SG services) but not to third parties intervening in the process.
That will save a lot of evidentiary and procedural wrangling and if those two go ahead of Nash there could be a precedent for her ( as well as X)
Nash and Xenophon will need to have referrals from the Senate for a High Court ruling in their cases.
The process seems to be the same as in the Culleton case where the Court is asked to rule on the application of Section 44 to each person referred and will not involve a challenge as such as in the Sykes/Cleary
and Sue/ Hill cases.
It will be interesting to see who may seek to intervene as third parties.
Wot? Doesnât this mean they should have resigned like the Greensâ Senators did?
I believe that would require two things:
- formal acceptance of their status, and
- Decency.