Preseason Training 11/11/24 (and onwards till someone creates a new thread)

Blitz equivalent of, "He’s not the messiah, he is just a naughty boy. "

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You think that’s worse than his ineptitude on game day and lack of a game plan that the players can and will follow?

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I suppose but i always felt he was like a temporary fill in and as high as a kite during that season.

I think he’s a great game day coach, he changes things up at half time and brings us back into games with his moves. Even James Brayshaw says he was known for being one of the best in game coaches when at North.

With regards to game style, the slow build up from defence and kick mark style is what won the lions the flag this year, we don’t have good enough kicks in the team yet to execute it and that style is to cover our 20 year leaky team defence, so we can set up behind the ball.

The example of him picking a team too tall in the wet i agree with, but as i said, that’s team selection and not wanting to drop his favourites, who happen to be talls. This is more so than him thinking going tall in the wet is a good approach. So again that comes under the banner of team selections. Fix that part of his coaching and we’re sweet. I do wish he sat external to the team selection committee lol.

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This is my read too, well more of a hopeful read. Barham can’t exactly come out and say it as he would look foolish (again) at a time where he is vulnerable. Surely, surely, post Barham getting re-elected the club can be a little more candid around this pivot. It’s certainly in Brad and the boards interest as it will relieve some pressure going in to the year.

Also on the last point about picking talls comes down to list management over the past twenty years.
People complain about us going to tall but look at the vfl last year who could we have brought in besides Tsatas and Hobbs both of which have big holes in their games need to be sorted

Yep, employed him for the wrong job

Essendon think this is a strength, I hate it, it’s the epitome of mid table wilderness, develop players to be great at 1 thing not pretty good at multiple.

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External review didn’t help either……that didn’t identify issues with recruitment and list - McCartney, Lewis……

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Yeah but all our players can be mediocre in any position versus boring old teams full of blokes who can only do one thing really well.

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Back in the glory days we had half backs and half forwards who were good in that position plus could play midfield.

Mark Johnson, Dean Solomon, Andrew Welsh, Mark McVeigh
Blake Caracella, Mark Mercuri, Michael Long, James Hird, Dean Rioli

They also had mids that spent 90% of time in the guts.
Now we have more rotation mids on the bench.
Whereas back in the day the bench was filled with pockets, flankers, resting ruck and newbies

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That isn’t what won them the flag!! You could start with they have stars on every line, their young players stood up, they move the ball with precision……

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IMO, its all the list department, and it comes down to an over inflation of the picks both turning out as recruited and peak performance of the picks. i.e. we picked Jones and said there, a 10y CHF. Never assuming the pick could fail or wont live up to the estimation of how good they can be. When he gets injured or just isn’t that good, we chased our tail with stop gaps or late picks and trades. So there was a constant over evaluation of the list which left it constantly lacking and un balance. We also didn’t focus on areas which are core for modern footy, like kicking and running capacity.

Game styles are not that different around the league. The problem for Scott was the board was sold by the list team that things were in the ready state for contention. He’s essentially had to prove them wrong by eliminating almost everything else.

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Boy does Andrew Welsh’s name stand out in group.

He’s the one I’d prefer not to get a game if I’m gunning for a premiership. The rest, well they’d pick themselves in an Essendon team from any era.

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You would never know, the promised public version was never released - a broken promise from the board/chairman.

Nah he’s bland, boring and uninspiring like he’s game plan.
His idea of change is picking the same team every week and putting players where they will be least effective. Oh and not picking young players.
Same as he did at North and the reason they eventually dumped him.

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I get where you’re coming from. I think there’s a whole heap of whole of club stuff that has contributed. The list team were also significantly affected by the club management’s desire for immediate success that has impacted Scott’s ability to do much, because they were being asked to provide both short term impact as well as long term rebuild at the same time (which was exacerbated by having mature players want out). And hence you end up with neither a rebuild or short term success.

Combine that with the constant turnover of coaches, and hence gameplan and what the coaches value (and I strongly disagree that gameplan doesn’t make much difference), and the whole club has been set up for failure for the near decade since the players returned from suspension.

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I have said it before, i have two types of camcer, Scotts coaching is gunna kill before the cancer deoes.

Not sure about that

if im not mistaken he wanted to rebuild at North and wanted to get rid the likes of Brent Harvey thats why he got sacked

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Yeah but someone said brad has no game plan, it’s an interesting take when our game plan is one of the few in the comp similar to this year’s premiership team. A team that also got criticised for their game plan for years mind you.

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