Where have I ignored ANY of that? This is the Dodoro thread & the discussion is about HIS performance. I get that you want to deflect to everything but his actual performance but again this is his thread. His drafting has been poor, his trading has been poor & his list management has been poor. In spite of all the other factors that go into making a club successful I don’t believe you have ever made any reasonable case to suggest we had a flag capable list. You throw up hypotheticals like they are a reasoned defence of actual outcomes & you continually move the goalpost on forming any actual standard. So I ask again - what benchmark or standard would convince you if not actual outcomes? Is there any point, 20 years without a finals win maybe 30 years that would make you at the very least consider that our list hasn’t been good enough or is there some other measure you want to set? Is drafting less than 3% of the All Australian sides over your career maybe some evidence you’d consider? I’m open to the idea that you can set the standard & I’ve been asking for a standard for some time but again you ignore this & instead grasp on to the saga, Sheedy, Dank & more recently its this idea that Dodoro is only the List manager so we shouldn’t hold him responsible for anything.
The facts are the club is currently a failure. We have finished out of the finals 9 of the last 13 years & in the 4 finals we’ve made we’ve lost by a total of 236 points. I believe you simply have to acknowledge that a significant factor in that outcome is the state of the list. You can argue all you like about what % the coaches, the fitness staff, the sports scientist & the boot studder plays in the ultimate success of a club but surely at some point you have to place some level of importance on the list & its management. We’ve replaced every other aspect of the club several times over. Would we have done that wad we won finals most years - no, so why do we not persist with the only constant?