Rule changes and our list strategy


#14

If the Tigers cannot play 8 on their backline , they are screwed.


#15

The mooted rule changes have been brought about by the enhanced athleticism of defenders who have become better able to close down space, and effect spoils etc. The latest changes have been developed to favor forwards yet again. Instead of letting the game evolve, they AFaiL keep tinkering with it, n order to maintain their idea of a spectacle. Rule changes have become an annual event, more is the pity.


#16

Rule changes are in because to much congestion ,ball ups ,scrimmages slow down the scoring of goals so less ads to the advertising broadcaster.
Scoring goals, lots of goals is what free to air advertisers want, more ads more goals.
How often to CH 7 stay at the footy after a goal is scored .Straight to an ad break.


#17

A quick HFF can get to that wing pretty quickly IMO.


#18

Try being interstate watching free to air t.v. You hardy ever to get to see after the game activities because as soon as the siren goes, you get smacked with a barrage of ads.


#19

Not sure if the “starting positions” change requires any list tweak by us.
It’s a rule that will vary hugely game by game- in an 8 goal to 6 slog fest for example it’s not going to come into effect very often, compared to stoppage rule changes ( third man up) or reinterpretations of prior opportunity, or interchange restrictions, and how they may change list requirements.
(As others have noted some clubs will be affected more than others - hello Carlton & Richmond)

The extended goal square is more interesting re player lists and types.
For example how far would Harts roost it with an extra 10 metres or so to play with?
I can see clubs looking to prioritise long kicking backs as a result.
Equally it would give a Conor type more room to tap and take off- harder to corral him in the back pocket - he or Saad could be at the 50 metre arc before they had to kick.


#20

Interesting article in the HS written by Mick McGuanne about which team will benefit from the new 6-6-6 rule… the part that tickled my fancy was this…

THE WINNERS ARE …

Collingwood and Melbourne have the best two ruckmen in the game in Brodie Grundy and Max Gawn, and that’s going to be a big advantage.

Mind you, they also have the best midfield depth, too.

They have the class (Scott Pendlebury, Dayne Beams, Angus Brayshaw and Clayton Oliver), but they also have the grunt (Taylor Adams and Jack Viney), as well as the speed (Adam Treloar).

There will still be room for taggers, but only those who can win their own ball too, such as Demon James Harmes.

Last year Champion Data ranked the Demons and Pies second and third for the best four-man combination for scores from centre clearance. Surprisingly, Essendon had the best.

Tom Bellchambers, David Myers, Dyson Heppell and Zach Merrett rated No.1, with 37 centre bounce involvements resulting in scores 21.6 per cent of the time.

That shows the Bombers, despite finishing 11th, got some things right, and they have added to their midfield depth with Dylan Shiel, and can throw in Devon Smith.


#23 David Myers
#21

Must be bullshit because it says that David Myers is good

Coaches know nothing


#22

I’m getting really interested in what the changes to kick outs are going to do because I think they are going to be bad for us

Let’s say that under the previous rules teams were going ‘coast to coast’ or whatever the fuckwits in the media call it these days and scoring from 10-15% of their kick outs. These tend to be high rates of conversion because there is little pressure and heaps of space. So for each behind that you kick let’s say that the opposition currently scores 0.6-0.9 points. (0.1-0.15 x 6 points).

If that rate rises significantly the impact of kicking a behind is going to rise in parallel. If teams are scoring 1.5 points on the rebound for every point you kick then you need to revisit your defensive strategies and potentially the forward press becomes redundant

Teams that are inaccurate (Essendon, cough) in front of goals are going to be penalized by the changes significantly in comparison to those teams that tend to be accurate


#23

Except we’re above average for accuracy.

Slightly.

We convert at 53%, league average 52%
Last year we were 54%, league average 53%


#24

I disagree.
I believe the rules will benefit us, hopefully, greatly, if only because we’ve recruited a midfield in the last few years. Having done so, these rules will force us to rely on them.
What we’ve had to do, to use a soccer parlance, is play 6-7-5, with one of our forwards playing up into the middle. Basically, we had Jobe, Stanton, Heath Hocking & Colyer. They needed help.
The clubs who have given us trouble (Hawthorn, Carlton & Collingwood) all played 7-6-5 against us.
That is, they took a forward and used him as loose man in defense.
How many times did we kick the ball to that bloke with the mullet in the late season game against Hawthorn?
And that nameless, faceless bloke from Carlton was the same when we played them.
This 6-6-6 rule change will force us to compete with them in the midfield, and should mean the ability to drop someone back is negated.
I agree with McGuane’s article, we have the deepest midfield, so when others are resting blokes elsewhere, we should be running blokes like Zaharakis and Parish through the middle, having seen off Shiel, Smith, Heppell and Merrett.
I am hoping our midfield is going to be like facing the West Indies in the 70s & 80s.
You see off Andy Roberts and Michael Holding, but Joel Garner and Colin Croft replace them.
These guys then pump the ball into a forward line that actually has enough players that if we don’t mark it, we have players at the fall of the ball to retain it.


#25

If we are inaccurate from set-shots, and get hurt on the quick play from the kick out, we deserve to be flogged.

There is 30 seconds to set-up for the kick-out. That is more than enough time to set-up whatever zone we want to play.


#26

Preventing that easy transition from a kick in to the opposition forward line was actually something I think we were actually consistently good at last year.
In particular cutting off the second kick option and forcing the opposition to go slowly up the line to an outnumbered contest, or repeatedly chipping square across the back fifty.

It was the turnovers in general play that really cost us, as several articles and comments have alluded to lately.

With Saad Conor and Francis all capable of both dash and/or precision kicking I think we’re better set up to take advantage of the new rules than it would cost us.


#27

Have compiled the 9 rule changes. Thought it would be useful to post…

Rule 1:
Players no longer have to kick the ball to themselves from full-back to play on. As soon as the goal umpire signals a behind they can run out of the goal square then kick or handball. The player on the mark is 10m back from the top of the goalsquare.

Rule 2:
A 6-6-6 centre square set-up with six players from each side inside 50m at each centre square, including one in each goal square. Wingman can patrol up and down each side of the centre square but not drop behind the ball.

Rule 3:
No more water carriers or runners on the ground during play. They have 45 seconds after a goal to do their thing and get off the ground.

Rule 4:
The hands in the back rule is repealed, meaning a player can put his hands in the back of an opponent but not push them.

Rule 5:
A ruckman who takes possession of the ball at a bounce or throw-up doesn’t lose their prior opportunity but the old ruck nominations remain.

Rule 6.
Players are no longer allowed to set up behind the umpire at centre bounces.

Rule 7:
A player awarded a mark post-siren can now kick a snap shot at goal but they must kick over the man on the mark. For instance, a right-footer must set up five metres left of the mark then kick the ball as they reach the line that runs between the goal and the man on the mark, and not after.

Rule 8:
If a defender marks or is awarded a free kick deep in defence next to the point post, the man on the mark must retreat in line with the top of the goal square.

Rule 9:
When a player wins a 50m penalty the umpire will be stricter on the infringing player, not allowing him to delay his opponent rushing upfield to quickly take his kick. The advancing player can play on any time as he moves up field to get to the forward point of the 50m penalty.


#28

It will take a few rounds in assess but if teams who lose Centre clearances lose games, or struggle to win it will clearly highlight the importance of your midfield set up. I dread the the thought of your no 1 ruckman geting injured in the first quarter and you can’t put an extra man back. Just like we all hope TBell stays healthy I guess every other team hopes the same for their no 1


#29

It’s only one televised game as a sample size, but clearly that initial clearance at a centre bounce will heavily favour teams with clearance specialists as it is more difficult to get congestion around the footy and nullify. Defenders will get exposed more and more one out, so it will highlight those defenders who have profited in years gone by in having that extra man behind the football straight from a centre bounce. Too early to say whether it will be a success or not, but it will make for interesting viewing.


#30

My takeaway from last night is that we are going to have to have Stringer in the middle for as many centre bounces as possible

Our lack of genuine clearance winning mids is going to hurt

Anthony Miles is going to be a very good pickup for GCS


#31

We can potentially have Ridley/Mitch Brown start on the wing, standing on the defensive edge of the square and push back to play as an extra defender. Which means one of the back 6 can cut-off the space the full-forward now gets.

Teams will work out ways to circumvent scoring when the opposition is dominating clearances.


#32

I think you’ll see the midfielders stationed differently around the circle the further we go into the season.
I’m predicting one to get to the feet of the ruckman and the other two to hold ground further back than usual. Taps will try to get to outside more often with the punch hitout to come back.
We might not be the team that gets the advantage but it’s great for the game. Players who hunt the footy will start getting rewarded again for doing so. Richmond took advantage of by forcing pressure and a rushed kick while other teams would wait and tackle and get rewarded for holding the ball.


#33

Aaron Francis would be our best option for kickouts, he has the length and if a shorter, more central option opens up he has the balls and talent to nail it.