NERDS!!!
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He is better equipped than most to deal with the upcoming famine.
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“scraping the bottom of the barrel”?? Looks like they’re using it…
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Like to see that POS getting dragged away by a tractor
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Important. Ukraine is running out of Soviet SAM missiles. This Norwegian gear is a very effective system which is almost impossible to take out with anti-radar missiles. If Ukraine gets these in numbers over time, it will make a difference. Generally new gear like this is being deployed in stages as crews are trained up.
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Any idea what sort of UAVs are being used that a worth expending an S300 missile?
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If you consider the cost of a successful strike that even the cheapest UAV may direct, then I suspect the answer is anything they can hit!
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Yep. If killing a drone prevents an accurate missile strike, then the SAM was worth expending. If a cheaper option could have done the job just as well, then it becomes debatable. Either way, the drone needs to go.
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From my knowledge of military operations, a solo sniper could have taken the job
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Ok, if expending an expensive SAM is the cheapest actually available way to reliably take out a drone and taking out that drone is necessary to prevent destruction of a target more valuable than the expensive SAM then that would be reasonable weaponeering consistent with economy of force.
But I would expect that to be true for cruise missiles a lot more often than for drones.
If these kills are higher end drones then I’m not particularly interested.
But the typical Ruscist scenario used in 2016 was described as follows:
(U) The employment of UAS by Russian Forces adds another dimension to their fires capability. In Eastern Ukraine, Russian Forces have demonstrated their ability to direct and adjust fires with their drones. Ukrainian forces have repeatedly seen a systematic approach by the Russians to acquire a target with a UAS. A high level UAS will identify a Ukrainian target. It will then pass off that target to another lower level UAS to determine the target coordinates. Then the Russians will adjust their fire with the UAS based on the initial artillery strikes. The total time for this process can be as little as 10-15 minutes.
BTW this document has lots of useful info on various Ruscist systems including a diagram “Russian Forces Indirect (Fires) Capabilities” p22 comparing their ranges for both conventional and rocket assisted munitions and likely Manoevre Areas in km from Forward Line of Own Troops (FLOT) - front line 0-10; 2nd line initial support, reserves 10-50; 3rd line supply depots, strategic reserves, high level C2/Air Line Of Communication - in relation to targets 0-1 and 2-6 km beyond FLOT.
Found via link near Taoist/Daoist post from @taojas
By “high level” I assume they are referring to an ISR drone that flies at a higher altitude with a larger Field of View (FoV) and better sensors able to Find a dynamic target of opportunity. These are also not the cheapest drones but will often be the means of Surveillance that results in a tasking order for one or more lower level drones to Fix and (if necessary) Track
and acquire the Target either by precise mensuration or by laser designation or by notifying availability as a forward observer for spotting after initial shot to participate in the subsequent Engagement by indirect artillery fires and initial Assessment.
This F2T2EA sequence is described in:
Destroying the high level drone before it notifies having Found the target could disrupt the kill chain and give a portable target time to escape. Especially if it is a UCAV with a strike payload adequate for engaging the target that would be capable of completing the kill chain by itself (eg a TB2).
If there is more than one in the flock of lower end drones tasked to join the Kill Chain the expenditure of SAMs required to break it could easily become prohibitive.
My conclusion is that if Ruscists are using same tactics, then SEAD can be achieved by lots of lower end drones that can reach the likely target depths with appropriate capabilities for mensuration/forward observing/laser designation plus some decoys that look just like them.
I see no reason to assume Chinese electronics will not be available to Ruscists.
Likewise I think it is necessary to ensure suitably enhanced AAA shells and heavy machine gun cartridges (with appropriate sights) become available to Ukrainian GBAD to avoid using up expensive SAMs.
PS Can anyone elaborate on the p22 diagram? Precise significance of the 1-2 km gap beyond FLOT? Where is FEBA?
L8R
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Hans Solo’s weapon would be handy for dealing with an Imperial Probe.
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