Russia invades Ukraine - 6 - from 7 August 2024

[barry_day]

Russian losses per 21/08/24 reported by the Ukrainian general staff

+1210 men
+4 tanks
+21 AFVs
+60 artillery pieces
+2 AD systems
+38 UAVs
+4 cruise missiles

[You_Shall_Be_Smoten]

Saw a meme yesterday…

Jabba’s perspective… murdered by the friends of a guy who owed him money

[Nexta]

@Bacchusfox

Domination of the proletariat from Marx was not about “world domination “. It was about the political progress through socialism to communism.

@Nexta

Lenin’s brand of Communism also followed Marx doctrine in that it preached International revolution ie Ideological world domination

World revolution - Wikipedia

[2-30Brunswickst]

There were a lot of innocent trades people on that partially completed Death Star. That just never really sat well with me.

[barry_day]

[_30_Westy]

@Benny40

Currently a massive one way attack drone strike into Russia.

Certainly no denying they intercepted the one in the second video!

[Benny40]

Intercepted… with their face.

[_30_Westy]

At the risk of a thread derailment - what is your take on the Russia vs US long range strike capability?
Seems like Russian stockpiles will have taken a hit of late, but the US are playing catch-up in the hypersonic field from my limited understanding.

[barry_day]

It’s all about the mix of forces. US strike capability is largely based around their submarine forces. Together with UK’s submarines, Russians really don’t have an answer to these.
It then comes down to ABM systems, the ABM treaty was abandoned by Bush, so you’d expect the US have invested heavily in this area. While Russia has probably done some work in this area, the US’s technological and financial means would surely have them far superior in this area these days.
I wouldn’t get too bothered about Russian’s hypersonic missiles. These are being knocked out of the sky by older generation Patriot systems, the newer systems will be a lot better than these.

[Drapersmullet]

Russia’s first gen hypersonics weren’t even hypersonic, pretty sure they maxed out at something like Mach 2.5 with big dud rates

As opposed to the US which caught up in basically a few years once they threw funding at it, and who you know is going to produce munitions with less than a 1% failure chance

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@2-30Brunswickst

Theirs were a lot of innocent trades people on that partially completed Death Star.

Got to feel sorry for the blokes from “Jim’s Planet-Destroying Death Ray Maintenance and Repairs”

[Benny40]

The US has a truly immense stockpile of long range missiles of various types. Not enough for a war with China, but they are addressing that with a rapid procurement of commercial component low cost missiles.

Russia has what it made over the last month or so. So maybe 100-200 missiles in total.

Hypersonic ain’t all that impressive. Sure, you took out a target within a few minutes of launch. But what about the next target? Or the one after that? Hypersonic missiles are something like 100x more expensive than a cruise missile, so you ain’t going to get many hits with them.

There’s a reason the US hasn’t gone all out with hypersonics, they just aren’t overly impactful in the real world. The literal bang for buck just doesn’t stack up. They do however have a very real sabre rattling effect, which is Russia’s key strength.

[wannabe]

@up_up

@2-30Brunswickst

Theirs were a lot of innocent trades people on that partially completed Death Star.

Got to feel sorry for the blokes from “Jim’s Planet-Destroying Death Ray Maintenance and Repairs”

Right, and Johnny Lawrence was Larusso’s victim.

[stir_fried_ewok]

you war nerds keep making these comparisons of US v russian fire power but you forget about russia’s ace up their sleeve

[barry_day]

China isn’t so stupid. They’ll sit on the side-lines and then pick up the pieces at their leisure.

[swoodley]

@Bacchusfox

Reckon you need to read a bit more from both Lenin and Marx.

Domination of the proletariat from Marx was not about “world domination “. It was about the political progress through socialism to communism.

Marx wrote: The proletariat’s struggle against the bourgeoisie inevitably becomes a political struggle with the goal of political conquest by the proletariat. With the domination of the proletariat, the socialization of production cannot help but lead to the means of production to become the property of society.

But both Marx and Lenin were largely irrelevant by the end of WW2 (if not before)

They might have had lovely theories, but it would be fair to say that Stalin was not a close adherent of their theories.

@Bacchusfox

As @Albert_Thurgood points out, the corruption of message came from the Western fears of communism and not reality.

That’s not exactly accurate when looking at in from a post WW2 persepective.

Sure, a lot more information is readily available these days to enable an historical analysis of the period but in real time:

The USSR ruled Eastern Europe and wanted more.

Mao’s Revolution had succeeded in turning China into a Communist State.

Tito had taken control of Yugoslavia

Greek Communists had tried to take over the country.

We had the “Malayan Emergency” almost on our doorstep.

Vietnam.

I’d say that there were plenty of reasons to fear the rise of Communism.

[barry_day]

I’d argue none of those were communist states.
They were all totalitarian states branded as “communist”.
I have no love for communism and doubt it’s viable in its purest form.

[barry_day]

[swoodley]

@barry_day

I’d argue none of those were communist states.
They were all totalitarian states branded as “communist”.

That’s just word games.

[Nexta]

Speaking of Lenin, the Ukrainians decapitated his statue in Sudzha, took the head to the forest and used it for target practice. Probably a waste of an RPG round to be honest, but I suppose they wanted to make a statement.