The Tennis thread

Respectfully disagree

I think the playing only 3 sets demeans women. & I think they want to play 5 for that reason.

This guy says what I mean way better than I could …

COLUMN: WOMEN NEED FIVE-SETS TENNIS TO WIN EQUALITY BATTLE

by: AP March 25, 2016

PARIS (AP) After a bruising start, this ultimately morphed into a points-scoring week for women’s tennis.

Quick recap: Novak Djokovic put both feet in his mouth by suggesting that male players should be paid more, and by condescendingly praising women athletes for overcoming ‘‘a lot of different things that we don’t have to go through. You know, the hormones and different stuff.’’

Sigh. Hardly the sort of forward-looking, 21st century leadership one wants to hear from the top-ranked man. Billie Jean King, Chris Evert, and a few days of reflection subsequently helped to put him right. Djokovic backpedaled with a qualified apology.

Then, Raymond Moore resigned as the Indian Wells tournament director, falling on his sword for suggesting that women players should fall to their knees in thanks for male counterparts who have ‘‘carried this sport.’’

Sexism coming back to bite men who should know better. Count this week as a 6-4, 6-4 victory for women players in their unfinished battle for equality.

And it will remain unfinished just so long as tennis continues to make women play a different game from the men.

Not having women play best-of-five-set matches, like men, at major tournaments is core to tennis’ equality problem, because it hardwires gender inequality into the sport.

At the Olympic Games, the equivalent would be 80-meter sprints for women, while men run 100. Or 40-meter pools. Or, in football, 60-minute matches.

Truncated Grand Slam tennis for women perpetuates offensive myths about weaker and superior sexes. It suggests that women aren’t physically and mentally strong enough to play five sets, even though that is patently false. It fuels noxious arguments that women don’t deserve the equal prize money at majors they fought long and successfully for, because they play fewer sets than men to win it.

In short, it is plain wrong.

There will always be those who feel that men’s matches offer better value for money because they are more likely to run longer. That ignores the fact that a hard-fought 3-6, 6-4, 6-2 - to cite just the example of Serena Williams against Victoria Azarenka in the French Open third round last year - can be more memorable than a men’s 6-3, 6-1, 5-7, 6-2 - the score of Rafael Nadal’s fourth-round win at Roland Garros against Jack Sock.

The quantity-trumps-quality mindset is impossible for women to beat completely when they are not playing the same format as men, and not being allowed to sell the same product. Best-of-five tennis can be more dramatic, because the additional length can encourage more momentum swings, comebacks, collapses, and epic marathons. Women are being deprived of that stage.

Cheaper tickets for best-of-three major finals than for best-of-five also send the message, even before women have played, that they’re not worth forking out for like the men. At the French Open in June, hospitality packages for the men’s final will cost twice as much as for the women’s final. Organizers say that is because there is greater public demand to watch the men. Djokovic followed similar logic in arguing that male players should get more money.

‘‘We have much more spectators,’’ he said.

But popularity is cyclical. As the golden era of Roger vs. Rafa comes to an end, Djokovic cannot be sure that audiences won’t shift from the men’s game. It wasn’t that long ago that Steffi Graf vs. Martina Navratilova was a more intriguing rivalry than Djokovic against Andy Murray is now.

Forget the argument that best-of-five matches for women couldn’t be shoehorned into cramped Grand Slam schedules. That assumes that men can’t make space. Best-of-three for both men and women in early rounds of the showcase tournaments, followed by best-of-five for both in the later stages might work.

At least it would be equal.


John Leicester is an international sports columnist for The Associated Press. Write to him at jleicester(at)ap.org or follow him at http://twitter.com/johnleicester

VAMOS

In the men’s final the umpire should enforce the time rules. That would upset Nadal.

Also, don’t forget women get paid far less in the vast majority of tournaments they play. We should celebrate wherever they are paid equally to men.

This match is pretty ordinary

Also, don't forget women get paid far less in the vast majority of tournaments they play. We should celebrate wherever they are paid equally to men.

Pretty sure they get the same in Grand slams. Though not sure women should play 5 sets, they struggle with 3 sets of garbage.

Hit in net, hit too far, break serve, break serve lose serve, break serve again, lose serve and so on

Did Basil just say Michael Jackson wore #23 for the bulls?

Andy Roddick calling today’s match “the most important” in grand slam history. Could be.

Also, don't forget women get paid far less in the vast majority of tournaments they play. We should celebrate wherever they are paid equally to men.

Kind of irrelevant. They get paid less because less people go, spectators often get charged less as a result and TV ratings on average are lower.

It’s not a conspiracy against women. Just economics.

I think tonight’s match is fantastic for the Australian open and for tennis. Hopefully it’s a really close one with no injuries.

Reading Fui fui moi moi twitter account while waiting for this to start. YIKES

Reading Fui fui moi moi twitter account while waiting for this to start. YIKES

WOW

Not quite nasri and his spouse tweeting at the same time.

Reading Fui fui moi moi twitter account while waiting for this to start. YIKES

boy oh boy wowee

Reading Fui fui moi moi twitter account while waiting for this to start. YIKES

Roger in 4

My view pre match was that Roge can still hit the same angles and corners but Nadal is that metre slower. I think its Federers night

You guys can’t be serious that rafas grunting isn’t annoying

You guys can't be serious that rafas grunting isn't annoying

I’ve become accustomed to it so don’t really notice anymore

Rafa has hit back hard here, really looked under the pump in that first set