Sorry Saga - “It’s actually quite funny people thinking they know more than they actually do”


Good one. Have you ever asked him for a copy of The Downes report which he commissioned ( the one ASADA won’t release)?


Yeah, apparently it’s indefinitely detained.


wouldn’t mind reading a copy of that one myself …them not releasing it speaks volumes if it supported what happened they would be letting it out all over the place …so silence on this tells me it said there was nothing


they will do nothing unless it blows up in their faces via some international scrutiny & international media …as most of our media either know nothing about it or were complicit in the whole thing


Original Downes report was to he handed to Dutton when he was sport minister .Report was handed to Mac f f f face

So you order a report to be done and then only show it to yourself.
Not the Minister .
Downe’s contract details of remuneration heavily redacted with big black texta.
Downe’s report must have cost a lot of money for all the staff and office space plus incidentals A total of $275000 allocated for the report
A lot more than paying for the WADA case against the 34


It’s so blatantly obvious there is a cover up

Downes report and other key documents won’t be released with ASADA saying the Bock/GC case still not completed so it would impact that.

And why is that? Case was meant to be re-opened and nothing has come of it. Actual evidence exists that was a slam dunk for ASADA.

Robinsons immunity and no doubt AFL’s agreement to isolate EFC and not go after other clubs all part of this.

At some point there has to be a time where it all just unravels finally … how does it get there?

It is McDevitt being done over for lieing to senate? And then finally ASADA’s actions throughout the saga investigated via an enquiry?

Hopefully Bruce & J34 group can make it happen.


Jackson Taylor status?



Never forget.


Ah Ha not going for the group, pick them off one at a time. McDevitt is the first man.
From there, that may well produce a whistle blower from somewhere who wants to cover their own backside and get a free ride. That’s usually how the game plan works.


Athlete warning: Higenamine in supplements
8 August 2017

In November 2016, ASADA published an athlete warning on the banned substance Higenamine, following a spike in the number of detections. Since then, six more Australian athletes have tested positive for Higenamine, bringing the total number of positives for that substance to 13 across nine different sports. So if you take supplements, your sporting career could be at risk too.
About Higenamine

Higenamine is a Beta-2 Agonist (these type of substances allow lungs to take in more oxygen) and is prohibited in- and out-of-competition. Today it is found in many popular supplements, including:

Alpha T2
PES Amphamine Advanced
as well as a number of other products.

It is often described as ‘natural’, and has also been listed as an ingredient on supplement labels as:

Nandina domestica
Tinospora crispa
Aconitum japonicum
Gnetum Parvifolium
Asarum hetertropoides

What can you do?

There are a number of things you can do to prevent a positive test.

  1. Don’t take supplements.

All supplements are risky, and none can guarantee 100% that they do not contain prohibited substances. Supplements can be accidentally cross contaminated by other substances made in the same factory, or can contain prohibited substances deliberately included by the manufacturer to ensure users get results, while failing to list the ingredient on labels.

Before you take any supplements, seek the advice of your doctor or sports dietician about whether you really need them, or whether changes to your diet or training program could get better results instead. Many studies suggest there is little evidence that athletes need supplements given a well-balanced diet.
2. Choose a low-risk, tested supplement

If you choose to take supplements, despite the risk, consider using one which has been tested by an independent auditing company. Informed Sport and HASTA both offer testing before the product hits the shelf, and Informed Sport lists all tested products on their website. These do not give you a 100% guarantee, but are less risky than other non-tested supplements.
3. Check the ingredients

DO NOT take a supplement if you do not know the ingredients. You can check some ingredients on GlobalDro, but since ingredients can have more than 20 different names, not every version is listed. And, as above, not every ingredient is always listed.
4. Follow the AIS guidelines

The Australian Institute of Sport issues guidelines to help categorise supplements by risk and efficacy. Their matrix can help you decide whether it is worthwhile taking a supplement, and how to reduce your risk.
5. Educate yourself

Complete ASADA’s eLearning Level 1 Course, and stay up to date on new anti-doping issues with the Level 2 Course.

Importantly, because of the manufacturing processes, the contents of supplements can vary from batch-to-batch and may contain prohibited substances in sport regardless of what is listed in the label. As such, ASADA cannot give any specific supplements the all clear. ASADA does not endorse any supplements.

The word from the IOC

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) Medical & Scientific Commission recently held a summit where it was concluded that while “diet significantly influences athletic performance… the use of supplements does not compensate for poor food choices and an inadequate diet.” It was also noted at the summit that “quality assurance in supplement manufacture, storage and distribution is sometimes not strictly enforced, leading to products that are of poor quality or contaminated.”

This comment is supported by a survey conducted by LGC, which found that 1 in 5 supplements bought off Australian shelves contained a banned substance, whether it was listed on the label or not.




Apparently Asada wasn’t going to publish the Ban until someone asked Asada why it wasnt on their website.

How many other athletes have served secret suspensions from Asada?

Performance enhancing Ingredient in supplement was not listed.


The sanction was imposed by Athletics Australia, no mention of it on the AA website - she’s a trainer in the RAAF and a bit of a hero to them.
Calling Dave Colbert…


Listened to the latest episode of The Ticket earlier today, great show as always.

Two questions that came to mind from it;

  1. Did I mishear or did Warwick Hadfield, very much in passing, mention a police investigation related to the saga in Victoria? Is there any idea what this may have been in reference to?

  2. Regarding the discussion about CAS being an arbitration body and as such, precedent doesn’t apply - What do we then make of David Howman’s comments to FoxSports on Jan 13 2016;

"If the Court of Arbitration for Sport said the (original) decision was right then we would be in a very difficult position to prove any non-analytical case — any case that depended on evidence being gathered by investigation,” he said.

“It just would’ve been impossible and we felt that wasn’t the spirit of the (WADA) Code. It wasn’t the way we wanted the Code to be construed and it certainly wasn’t the way it had been construed in the past.

“If we hadn’t appealed we would have accepted the change that wasn’t mandated upon us by our stakeholders.”

If precedent does apply then it’s a huge risk on WADA’s part appealing a case which was so thoroughly dismantled at the AFLADT, as there wasn’t as much chance of success and it would only confirm the precedent at a higher court. I can’t see how it’s a gamble worth taking, unless the fix was in.

If precedent doesn’t apply, then what was it really about?


Never forget

there is a list that goes out the door and twice round
the yard containing people involved in this who need
the karma bus to roll over them.
I want the heads of

  1. Demetriou
  2. Evans
  3. Fitzpatrick
  4. If the person who came up with this little scheme
    is not in these 4 them as well, but I suspect the
    perpetrator is already mentioned.

What I simply cant work out is why & what was the
initial spark?


The spark was the “blackest day”.

Vlad shat himself because he knew several AFL teams had won flags with substances (hell, there were even newspaper articles lauding them for it). Vlad also knew that their Gold Coast love child had exponents of substances from Geelong’s Premiership team (Weapon) who has since admitted to dealing out illegal substances at GCS.

So he needed a scapegoat.

A club that had not won a final in years.

A club that had a membership base big enough and passionate enough to survive the shit) that would be thrown at it.

A club that had a decades-long history of supine compliance and obeying whatever shit) the VFL/AFL threw at it.

There is only one club that ticks all those boxes.


FYI: Another FOI application lodged recently:

Reporter GRANT BAKER, Herald Sun June 22, 2015 7:58pm stated “THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority will stump as much as US$100,000 towards WADA’s prosecution of the Essendon 34. The figure was revealed in a clarification to the Senate from ASADA’s national operations manager Trevor Burgess after he had given an incorrect figure when giving evidence at a budget estimates hearing earlier this month”.

I am requesting a copy of any funding request, application, agreement or document where Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) either on its own or via the Department of Health sought funding for the prosecution of the Essendon players. The request, application, agreement or any such document may include other parties and if so, is covered by this request.

I also require copies of all correspondence (electronic and print) between ASADA and/or Department of Health and any officials in preparing and finalising the said application agreement or document.

If no such document is said to exist, I am seeking copies of all correspondence (electronic and print) on who why, when and how the Australian Government Department was able to distribute funds to the World Anti Doping Authority for the prosecution of Australian citizens in a foreign jurisdiction.


You might want to check out the reference in page 88 of the ASADA 2024-15 Annual Report, to the following effect:
With the strong engagement with the Office of Sport in the Health Department,resulting in an initial approval by the Minister for Finance to operate within a maximum operating loss of $0.75 million and later $0.81 million for short term legal expenses.


Everything going ahead. Things may have quietened down because of the Court break over the summer.