Sorry Saga - “It’s actually quite funny people thinking they know more than they actually do”

The Weap was probably overqualified for his job as specialist advisor on deals and M&A in the motor industry division of KPMG.

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The irony of the system is that because Robinson knew he was guilty and knew where the bodies were buried, he was able to negotiate not only getting off, but getting a million dollar pay out, a million dollar job and now he can go back into sport with a clear name.

So sad that the 34 for standing up for themselves without any credible evidence against them were crucified.

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Also got the $100K+ ‘Man on the inside’ interview with Darcy and televised on the AFL broadcast provider.

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Say that again.

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I love Tim Watson, but I honestly don’t know how he can continue to work for channel 7.

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Example of clean, fair sport in Australia.

So, let assume the ASADA CEO did not recommend the ADRVP look into Robinson, and that’s is the reason why we have had no formal Bock investigation. The ASADA ex CEO (allegedly) blatantly lied to the media and the Australian public (allegedly) saying they were looking into this investigation.

ASADA is an (alleged) disgrace.

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Probably be head of ASADA soon

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Does anyone know anything about the supposed new book on the saga that was mentioned in the Hun?

The ASADA media release of 16 April 2016 referred to the need to test the new information reported by Warner - in particular its veracity - and that it had approached Warner on that date to provide details of his conversations with Dank. No mention of talking to Robinson ( but then ASADA already has his evidence)
Dank has refused to talk to ASADA.
Is there any reason to prevent Warner from revealing his discussions with ASADA?
ASADA would also be sitting on a wealth of Robinson- related information arising from the NRL investigations.
ASADA looking very shabby on the integrity front. And not a peep from the AFL, which would also be sitting on a wealth of information.
I’d say there is more to come from Warner.

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It was up to the AFL to ban him. And we have a good idea why that never happened.

If anyone is unclear ask the negotiator Gilly boy, he was in charge of the unwashed foxes.

You are being too generous Wim there are at least a dozen on my list.

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Yes but will they protect him when they don’t need him anymore? No, they won’t. (NO further comment because it could be too gruesome.)

When was this mentioned?

ASADA and the AFL have been sitting on Robinson info for a few years now.

Imagine if this story of deceit had gotten out in early 2013.

"Bock’s drug stain that threatened AFL’s rising Suns"
— Chip Le Grand, 16 April 2016.

“Do you know of anyone else who has used CJC?’’

In a boardroom high above Melbourne’s legal precinct, Australian Sports
Anti-Doping Authority investigator Aaron Walker’s question to Dean
Robinson hung laden with portent, momentarily unanswered. Robinson
shifted in his seat, glanced at his lawyer, then at Walker. “Um, can I grab
you for a sec?”

For five minutes, the recording equipment was switched off while the
ASADA and an AFL investigations team conferred with one of the key
witnesses in the Essendon doping scandal. Once switched back on, it
captured the moment that Robinson abruptly shifted the supplements saga to
a place the AFL least wanted it to land.

“Yes, there was a player at the Gold Coast, Nathan Bock, that was provided
a vial of CJC-1295 by Stephen Dank at my house.’’

“It was a Thursday morning, March 21, 2013.”

Etc, etc, etc.

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Missed a bit of context of previous post. Sorry.

"Bock’s drug stain that threatened AFL’s rising Suns."

"It was a Thursday morning, March 21, 2013. An ASADA and AFL
investigation into the suspected use of banned peptides at Essendon was in
its sixth week and Robinson, the club’s former high-performance manager,
was starting his third straight day of intense questioning about what
happened at Windy Hill. For the next little while, he told a story not of
Essendon, but the strongest doping case involving any AFL player in the
entire saga; a case ASADA this week reluctantly reopened after failing to
adequately explain why it never pursued charges against Bock and
Robinson.

MIR&B, can you confirm if the Robinson interview in the boardroom was before, after, or the same time as this one mentioned below:

Source: AFL Tribunal: ASADA’s Ms Kerrison interview of Dean Robinson 8 August 2013:

“It is submitted that the interview of Mr Robinson with investigators supports the suggestion that a form of Thymosin other than TB4 was intended to be used at Essendon. There is some dispute about the interpretation of Mr Robinson’s evidence on this matter when interviewed on 19 March 2013. However, reliance is placed on the following passage from Mr Robinson’s interview of 8 August 2013.”

"MS KERRISON: And do you remember him – I mean can you give us any more background as to why Thymosin might be used there, whether it’s Thymosin or Thymosin Beta 4?

"MR ROBINSON: In all honesty, I don’t know more than Thymosin or Thymomodulin. That’s all I know about this. I don’t know exactly what it is. I can’t give you any more. I wish I could.

"MS KERRISON: But in relation to that text message there, do you remember him actually using a term Thymosin Beta 4? Did he explain that at all in your conversation with him?

"MR ROBINSON: I’ll make this clear, because I know this has come up. I have never heard of Thymosin Beta 4.

"… There is a difference, but you can still dose the same. I’ve never heard of Beta 4 – anything like that. So I don’t know what – Thymosin or Thymomodulin, as you would see in one of my emails, it was told to me it was Thymomodulin. Now I couldn’t tell you. Is Thymosin Beta 4 Thymomodulin, or is Thymomodulin something different to Thymosin? I couldn’t tell you what the relationship is. But all I ever heard was Thymosin or Thymomodulin. …

“Mainly because of the recovery time, how quick you can recover from shoulder surgery. Now, again, whether it’s Thymosin, Thymosin Beta 4, Thymomodulin, I don’t know what it is. I got told – the only thing I ever got told was Thymosin or Thymomodulin worked on the thymus gland and was good for your immune system. That was what I knew it for.”

  1. “Bock’s Stain” - Chip’s article has Robinson’s interview when questioned by ASADA and AFL investigators, on March 21, 2013

  2. AFL ADT interview of Robinson by ASADA is 8 August 2013.

Almost five months later.

So,

Robinson says Bock took CJC-1295

Robinson says “I have never heard of Thymosin Beta 4”.

Then why would ASADA agree to honour the deal below when they find out he has no information for them to use against the Essendon players? Wouldnt ASADA say if you have no info to offer, the deal is off.

"The Herald Sun revealed last year that Robinson agreed to give information to ASADA investigators just days after the Bombers scandal erupted. There was no formal agreement for immunity, but Robinson helped investigators on the basis of an “understanding”.

Maybe sink the boots into others??

Hmmm…perhaps enter the AFL into the equation:

  • We get the ‘say that again’ interview by Robinson,
  • Robinson somehow earns himself a $1m payout for wrongful dismissal even though he organised the apparently ‘illegal’ supplements program at the club.
  • Robinson gets a job at the AFL’s own auditors KPMG. How likely is this appointment given the AFL’s history with Hird?

Does ASADA feel obligated to protect the AFL?