After reading Dermotts and Rhy-Jones comments.
My tin foil hat thinks that the afl offered them a deal to take over there facebook accounts for efc saga commentry in exchange for portraying them as ball players and not thugs.
I find it hard to imagine these 2 stringing sentences together re the saga.
Brereton definately has links to Croad Maybe wants to bury what the hawks were up too…
wonder who at AFL House - Chris Langford afl commissioner.
To be fair littlebomber26 it’s only a minority seem to denigrate Bruce. And then the criticism seems to be about style not substance. I think he’s great. I wouldn’t use the same tone at times, but while I’ve written my own letter to Hunt and to the Aus editor, really I’ve relied largely on Bruce’s recounting of facts to be in any small way convincing. There’s a lot of people on here forming and stating views about what they reckon in terms of what happened and how it is demonstrably a great injustice and how certain people have it demonstrably wrong, but much of their ability to do that comes from repeated summaries of facts by the likes of Bruce, Tracey Holmes and a select few posters. No doubt I’ve missed a few, but the point is this would just be a melting pot of big footy-level-misinformed opinion without those organised facts and opinions from those parties, especially Bruce. I just can’t believe how he has that much persistence.
Would make sense as to why the AFL actually never came forward to speak with the club or tell the players they had their concerns, they were holding off in conjunction with ASADA to ping us if/when we tripped up expecting we would. The blackest day presser just forced their hand ahead of time.
IIRC ASADA had already had other players under investigation/likely at GC, and AFL would not have wanted under any circumstances an investigation to go on there given- 1) they were actually running that club 2) they employed weapon and Dank and 3) the list was basically all kids.
In terms of optics there couldn’t have been a greater damaging of the brand and all the money they’d spent setting up a new club in QLD would have been for nothing. And would also taint the Cats flags and the AFL poster boy league best player GAJ. And also then the accountability of the individuals in particular AD would come under huge scrutiny.
You’d just love to get the info about ASADA investigations/results and AFL negotiations with them before the blackest day in sport presser happened.
Perhaps that could be part of the terms of this government enquiry.
All of a sudden if it came out in collusion with ASADA they deliberately never went after GC, and essentially left the EFC players a trap that they were waiting to go off then the lack of duty of care consequences to the AFL would be astronomical.
And further evidence ASADA was not acting independently as it’s meant to be doing within the legislated ASADA Act.
Oh and former GC CEO Travis Auld now works directly for the AFL just sayin’, just like Paul Hamilton.
Anyone who would know anything either is employed within the AFL, been given a golden pass onto other career opportunities or been paid off.
Would make sense as to why the AFL actually never came forward to speak with the club or tell the players they had their concerns, they were holding off in conjunction with ASADA to ping us if/when we tripped up expecting we would. The blackest day presser just forced their hand ahead of time.IIRC ASADA had already had other players under investigation/likely at GC, and AFL would not have wanted under any circumstances an investigation to go on there given- 1) they were actually running that club 2) they employed weapon and Dank and 3) the list was basically all kids.
In terms of optics there couldn’t have been a greater damaging of the brand and all the money they’d spent setting up a new club in QLD would have been for nothing. And would also taint the Cats flags and the AFL poster boy league best player GAJ. And also then the accountability of the individuals in particular AD would come under huge scrutiny.
You’d just love to get the info about ASADA investigations/results and AFL negotiations with them before the blackest day in sport presser happened.
Perhaps that could be part of the terms of this government enquiry.
All of a sudden if it came out in collusion with ASADA they deliberately never went after GC, and essentially left the EFC players a trap that they were waiting to go off then the lack of duty of care consequences to the AFL would be astronomical.
And further evidence ASADA was not acting independently as it’s meant to be doing within the legislated ASADA Act.
Oh and former GC CEO Travis Auld now works directly for the AFL just sayin’, just like Paul Hamilton.
Anyone who would know anything either is employed within the AFL, been given a golden pass onto other career opportunities or been paid off.
Keep your friends closer and your enemies closer, specially the ones that know where the bodies are buried !
Gerard Healy started it did he not?#melkshamsarms
Basically, the AFL put every suppplement being used across the AFL at Essendon’s door at the start…and the word went out through the media.
AOD 9064 & TB-4 were never really in the frame at the start.
When the investigation didn’t initially uncover all those illegal things we were meant to have taken, the AFL was faced with a dilemna.
For you see, the AFL assumed we were “on the gear” like all other clubs - especially as we had Dank on our books at the time - and thought making an example of us was a no-brainer. Problem was the investigation turned up zilch initially.
Instead of honourably closing the investigation the AFL - and Demetriou in particular - went harder still and kept the investigation alive:
- Firstly by putting AOD-9064 in the public arena as possibly illegal although they knew as early as Feb 2013 it wasn’t
- Demonising Hird. via the infamous Sara MMM call, when AFL 360 conclusively showed AOD 9064 was legal the night before
- Then pushing the TB-4 line as the next substance maybe, possibly, hopefully (!!!) EC players took.
As I’ve stated before, the AFL went from looking at multiple clubs in 2013 to only wanting to investigate the EFC by 31-Jan/1-Feb.
Why?
My opinion, and it’s opinion only, is that multiple clubs were known to be “on the gear” and the AFL had been cutting deals with ASADA for months/years to keep these players/clubs out of the spotlight. And those clubs included premiers and perhaps an a new AFL franchise club the AFL were running.
The AFL needed a patsy and we were the perfect patsy (no premierships and only a decade of mediocrity) to sacrifice to ASADA to give them a trophy and save the rest of the competition from a wider scandal and shame.
Whilst I agree with your opinion - I have never been able to find a credible reason why ASADA would ever contemplate such a deal/arrangement. If that ever got out into the public (and maybe that is the reason FOI has been blocked) it would make the saga look like a ripple. A govt anti-doping agency cutting deals with sporting codes to look the other way. Gee you’d think we were Russia.
Why haven’t they gone after Bock if they are such crusaders against doping?
Because, in my opinion, it’s part of the “deal” AFL & ASADA struck.
My view is that Bock did serve a suspension of sorts…recall how he missed the best part of 2 seasons with a some leg injury - broken leg? - that certainly didn’t seem as serious as an ACL…then came back to play a farewell game.
All on the proviso ASADA kept quite about it and din’t list Bock as officially suspended…because that leads to the Gold Coast club and the young starts on their list and thus to the AFL who were running the show.
The AFL has form doing this - remember Harcourt (AFL CMO) presenting to international forum and stating he/the AFL had retired players etc.?
Perhaps the problem became so large in the end they couldn’t quietly retire players, make them injured for 2 years, etc. and ASADA said enough is enough.
And the AFL said don’t touch anyone…but you can have the EFC, we’ll make examples of them (no premierships to strip, AFL not involved in running the club) and that’s your “trophy” suspension.
Bock was never charged because Dean Robinson was given immunity from prosecution - It’s obvious when Robinson who was Dank’s boss was never charged over the Essendon supplement’s program - So then you can’t charge Bock.
Gerard Healy started it did he not?#melkshamsarms
Basically, the AFL put every suppplement being used across the AFL at Essendon’s door at the start…and the word went out through the media.
AOD 9064 & TB-4 were never really in the frame at the start.
When the investigation didn’t initially uncover all those illegal things we were meant to have taken, the AFL was faced with a dilemna.
For you see, the AFL assumed we were “on the gear” like all other clubs - especially as we had Dank on our books at the time - and thought making an example of us was a no-brainer. Problem was the investigation turned up zilch initially.
Instead of honourably closing the investigation the AFL - and Demetriou in particular - went harder still and kept the investigation alive:
- Firstly by putting AOD-9064 in the public arena as possibly illegal although they knew as early as Feb 2013 it wasn’t
- Demonising Hird. via the infamous Sara MMM call, when AFL 360 conclusively showed AOD 9064 was legal the night before
- Then pushing the TB-4 line as the next substance maybe, possibly, hopefully (!!!) EC players took.
As I’ve stated before, the AFL went from looking at multiple clubs in 2013 to only wanting to investigate the EFC by 31-Jan/1-Feb.
Why?
My opinion, and it’s opinion only, is that multiple clubs were known to be “on the gear” and the AFL had been cutting deals with ASADA for months/years to keep these players/clubs out of the spotlight. And those clubs included premiers and perhaps an a new AFL franchise club the AFL were running.
The AFL needed a patsy and we were the perfect patsy (no premierships and only a decade of mediocrity) to sacrifice to ASADA to give them a trophy and save the rest of the competition from a wider scandal and shame.
Whilst I agree with your opinion - I have never been able to find a credible reason why ASADA would ever contemplate such a deal/arrangement. If that ever got out into the public (and maybe that is the reason FOI has been blocked) it would make the saga look like a ripple. A govt anti-doping agency cutting deals with sporting codes to look the other way. Gee you’d think we were Russia.
I agree with some of this but there is a lot more to it. The government at the time in particular. We pretty much know it all went down more like this.
It all comes back to the so called “intelligence” given to the government and ASADA by the ACCC. They really did think they had a huge problem with drugs in sport. The labor government at the time was desperate for voters in an election year, and sore an opportunity to make a stand. The AFL is a very powerful entity, and is worth millions to the economy. So the Labor government told the AFL about said “intelligence” and together set about a plan so that the Government could have his blackest day in sport presser all while attempting to minimize as much damage as possible to the AFL.
With Dank seen as a dodgy customer importing all types of drugs from china (whether used at clubs remained to be seen), and the EFC having little success in past 10 years. The EFC where made scapegoats as you put it.
Its important to understand how important the AFL is to the government. If the AFL is compromised, so is goverment revenue.
Vlad calls Evans. Says my hands are tied mate, government has intelligence you guys are taking PED’s if you co-operate the players get off, club and officials take a wack.
The EFC where convicted by the government on intelligence reports, before any evidence could be gathered. All ASADA had to do was put the evidence together. But when squat was found… the government, and in turn the AFL pressured ASADA to into “find something, anything” Juilia Gillard .
All this came out in the court case, but unfortunately the case was to do with some BS wording on whether a joint investigation was legal or not, and nothing to do with how corrupt and immoral the saga has been. its very very clear what happened to me, and this is exactly why a government inquiry has to happen.
Further, If the government at the time had of used the correct channels, and allowed ASADA to do its job this would never have happened. The investigation would have happened behind closed doors, and the public would have known nothing about it. This is how law states investigations of this type are to be run. The self reporting would not have happened. As the phone call from Vlad would never have happened.
But the government at the time didn’t have time for this, as the election would be over before any proper investigation could be completed, before a full case with solid evidence could be heard. People need to understand the EFC where convicted by a government that jumped the gun.
Dermi and all these others so called in the know. Only know what the government told the AFL which was all based on intelligence reports, not evidence.
Meanwhile, the Age sympathetically reports on the failure of two Swans players to declare cortisone injections on their forms, contrary to AFL rules. Not a WADA transgression, but the failure of some Essendon players to include all substances ( not then an AFL transgression) was one of the WADA strands in the cable at CAS.
#EFC34@jeppepi 2h2 hours ago
#EFC34 Retweeted Sydney Swans
Cortisone is banned if over 50mL/6 hours, oral or intramuscular. Unlike TB4, it is actually listed in Global DRO.
in response to this story:
Sydney sanctioned for finals error
The AFL General Counsel Andrew Dillon has announced sanctions for breaches of the AFL’s Treatment Rules against the Sydney Swans Football Club and two of its players.
The sanctions arose out of inadvertent administrative failures to record required information during the 2016 AFL Finals Series.
At no stage have the Sydney Swans failed to adhere to WADA rules and all treatments used by their players were WADA approved.
The sanction against the Club is a fine of $20,000, with $10,000 suspended, for failing to keep and maintain a complete, accurate and up-to-date Register of Controlled Treatments in the AFL’s Controlled Treatments Register.
In this case, the AFL notes that the Club Doctor maintained his own thorough medical records of treatments legitimately provided to players. However, Clubs must also maintain such records on the Controlled Treatments Register database to enable the AFL to proactively monitor industry trends and target test players as required.
The AFL took into account that the Club’s failure in this case was an oversight during an intense pre-and-post Grand Final period, and that the Club otherwise had excellent medical procedures.
Luke Parker and Lance Franklin were both fined $5000 for failing to complete the required paperwork to record all treatments used by or administered to them on doping control forms at the time of providing a sample. This is not a breach of the WADA Code but is a breach of the AFL’s Treatment Rules, which go above and beyond the WADA Code.
In both cases the players received anti-inflammatory treatment cortisone, a WADA-compliant treatment, but inadvertently failed to declare this as required by the Rules.
The AFL Treatment Rules were introduced in 2013 to go above and beyond the WADA Code and ensure the AFL can effectively monitor football related supplements and medications provided to AFL players.
So predictable - Collis speaks out about Fitzy, and AFaiL goes bang and hits the club.
After reading Dermotts and Rhy-Jones comments. My tin foil hat thinks that the afl offered them a deal to take over there facebook accounts for efc saga commentry in exchange for portraying them as ball players and not thugs.
It’s not a hat, it’s a helmet.
A US Congressional subcommittee is to shortly begin hearings on the current international anti-doping regime. The US is the largest country contributor to WADA.The UK has a raft of relevant inquiries. Where is ours?
What I would like to see on AFL official EFC site is something dissing the media on its Hird reporting. So far all we get is equivocal statements by X on commercial radioDon’t hold your breath.
the Essendon administration are now just puppets of the AFL dont expect any fight from them
I'm quite interested in Dermie's comment that he knows the producer/manufacturer of the substances. Croad? Or someone else. Who does he know in that industry? What is his connection?Dermott is a flog.
He knows some dealers and/or PED suppliers, and like most similar types each one of them would have ‘all the facts’ about who did what and what really happened etc.
The fact he mentioned that he has been in contact with a ‘key player’ at the AFL about this very topic tells you everything you need to know.
Dermott reads papers and listens to his flog AFL sycophant shill media mates just like they all do.
It continues to be one big circle jerk of confirmation bias with every single one of those clowns just as it has been for the last 4 years.
the players went across the road to a clinic & had injections administered by a nurse if Dank was going to do it they would have had them at the club in the rooms…I remember that being discussed in the papers after the whole off site drug den bull happened it was then revealed that they actually went to the clinic across the road…but of course Dermitt would only remember the bits he wants to
Can anyone remember the figures around injection numbers in program? I know the MSM said it was thousands but I think that found to incorrect
I remember it was something small like under 800? but I could be wrong was about 1 or 2 injections per player that had them for about 6 months ?? Bruce did have numbers somewhere
To note that the Swans were fined $2500 for a WADA whereabouts breach in 2015, announced after they were beaten by Norf in the Finals. In announcing the breach, Dillon said the fine was low because of the Swans generally good compliance record.
iIRC Essendon and a few others were fined for the same reason, but I cannot recall the amount of the Bombers fine.
#EFC34@jeppepi 2h2 hours ago
#EFC34 Retweeted Sydney Swans
Cortisone is banned if over 50mL/6 hours, oral or intramuscular. Unlike TB4, it is actually listed in Global DRO.in response to this story:
Sydney sanctioned for finals error
The AFL General Counsel Andrew Dillon has announced sanctions for breaches of the AFL’s Treatment Rules against the Sydney Swans Football Club and two of its players.The sanctions arose out of inadvertent administrative failures to record required information during the 2016 AFL Finals Series.
At no stage have the Sydney Swans failed to adhere to WADA rules and all treatments used by their players were WADA approved.
The sanction against the Club is a fine of $20,000, with $10,000 suspended, for failing to keep and maintain a complete, accurate and up-to-date Register of Controlled Treatments in the AFL’s Controlled Treatments Register.
In this case, the AFL notes that the Club Doctor maintained his own thorough medical records of treatments legitimately provided to players. However, Clubs must also maintain such records on the Controlled Treatments Register database to enable the AFL to proactively monitor industry trends and target test players as required.
The AFL took into account that the Club’s failure in this case was an oversight during an intense pre-and-post Grand Final period, and that the Club otherwise had excellent medical procedures.
Luke Parker and Lance Franklin were both fined $5000 for failing to complete the required paperwork to record all treatments used by or administered to them on doping control forms at the time of providing a sample. This is not a breach of the WADA Code but is a breach of the AFL’s Treatment Rules, which go above and beyond the WADA Code.
In both cases the players received anti-inflammatory treatment cortisone, a WADA-compliant treatment, but inadvertently failed to declare this as required by the Rules.
The AFL Treatment Rules were introduced in 2013 to go above and beyond the WADA Code and ensure the AFL can effectively monitor football related supplements and medications provided to AFL players.
Bit of a slip up by the AFL media mafia here. If it’s not a breach of WADA rules to fail to disclose all drugs on the DCF, but a breach of AFL rules that were introduced in 2013, what rules exactly did the EFC players breach in 2012?
A US Congressional subcommittee is to shortly begin hearings on the current international anti-doping regime. The US is the largest country contributor to WADA.The UK has a raft of relevant inquiries. Where is ours?
THe USA is a bad example. Its well known they have hidden many positives for over 30 years. And they are the king of TUE’s. They cheat as well as any country in the world.
After reading Dermotts and Rhy-Jones comments. My tin foil hat thinks that the afl offered them a deal to take over there facebook accounts for efc saga commentry in exchange for portraying them as ball players and not thugs.It’s not a hat, it’s a helmet.
Should try an armadillo shell, it doubles as a wicked soup bowl.
Massive front page tomorrow from Mick Warner.
‘Secret Dons Tape’
Little, Hird, Thompson, Corcoran’