Stopping the Boats: What is Abbott hiding?

Scott Morrison faces hostile Senate committee to defend Operation Sovereign Borders
January 31, 2014 - 2:12PM
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<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/by/Jonathan-Swan'>Jonathan Swan</a>

National political reporter
 
'Did you read the documents?'

Border Protection Minister Scott Morrison comes under pressure as he defends withholding documents from the Senate on the grounds of 'public interest immunity'.

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has refused to say whether he has read the asylum seeker operational documents he has claimed ''public interest immunity'' over.

During a hostile Senate inquiry into the federal government's military-led operations stop asylum seekers reaching Australia on boats, Mr Morrison was repeatedly asked whether he had read the documents he was withholding from the public.

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Immigration Minister Scott Morrison and Lieutenant-General Angus Campbell appear before the Senate committee on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares

While Mr Morrison avoided the question, Labor Senator Kim Carr asked: ''Have you read the documents? Have you read the documents?''

Mr Morrison would only reply that he was ''aware'' of the documents.

Senator Carr then accused Mr Morrison of not having read the material he was keeping secret from the Australian public.

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Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young quizzes Scott Morrison. Photo: Andrew Meares

Mr Morrison replied that it was a serious allegation but he declined to deny it.

The Immigration Minister has also refused to say how many asylum seeker boats have entered Australian waters in the past month.

Mr Morrison said his policy of stopping the boats was working - and used a figure of "zero arrivals since December 19" to prove his claim. But Mr Morrison stuck to a tight definition of "arrivals" in a Senate inquiry into Operation Sovereign Borders.

An arrival, Mr Morrison said, constituted an asylum seeker being "transferred into immigration authorities".

But asked how many boats had entered Australian waters during the same period of "zero arrivals", Mr Morrison refused to respond. To do so would be against the public interest, he said.

Mr Morrison also said he cannot reveal what the navy is doing to stop asylum seeker boats on the high seas because it could compromise Australia's international relationships.

Mr Morrison was appearing voluntarily at the Senate hearing, he said, because he wanted to support his colleagues in his border protection policy. Lieutenant-General Angus Campbell, Defence Chief David Hurley and Customs CEO Michael Pezzullo all attended.

The Greens-Labor dominated Senate committee had taken issue with Mr Morrison's refusal to comply with Senate demands that he release documents revealing "on water" operations.

Mr Morrison has claimed immunity from releasing documents to the Senate. He has done so on "public interest" grounds, but the Senate committee argued the policy of secrecy was not in the national interest.

The Senate committee was designed to determine whether Mr Morrison was within his rights to claim "public interest" as a reason for not releasing information.

Telling the Australian public what was happening on the high seas would "put people at risk who are involved in our operations," Mr Morrison said.

Revealing such information could cause "unnecessary damage to Australia's national security... and international relations," Mr Morrison said.

Secrecy, the minister argued, was a crucial part of the strategy to stop the boats. And the policy was working - which should justify the "discretion", Mr Morrison added.

No asylum seekers have reached Australia by boat since December 19, he said.

Not since six years ago, before the Howard government's Pacific Solution was abolished by Kevin Rudd, had no boats arrived for such a stretch.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-faces-hostile-senate-committee-to-defend-operation-sovereign-borders-20140131-31rl0.html#ixzz2rxeD0JZQ

 

 

 

 

Basically Morrison is withholding documents on how the Abbott Government is deal with Asylum seekers. He is using the same b.s tactics the Americans used and still use to this day to keep their citizens uninformed, they are just protecting us.

 

We have had zero arrivals but when asked how many boats have entered Australian waters and no answer.

 

Australians will fall for this tactic. The old, if they don't see it, it isn't there tactic.

 

The fact they are acting so secretive just makes me wonder at how many Human Rights violations they are guilty of already.

Scott Morrison faces hostile Senate committee to defend Operation Sovereign Borders
January 31, 2014 - 2:12PM
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1_127-jonathan-swan.jpg?rand=13601897884
Jonathan Swan
National political reporter
 
'Did you read the documents?'
Border Protection Minister Scott Morrison comes under pressure as he defends withholding documents from the Senate on the grounds of 'public interest immunity'.
Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has refused to say whether he has read the asylum seeker operational documents he has claimed ''public interest immunity'' over.
During a hostile Senate inquiry into the federal government's military-led operations stop asylum seekers reaching Australia on boats, Mr Morrison was repeatedly asked whether he had read the documents he was withholding from the public.
dn-morrison-wide-20140131141558788159-62Immigration Minister Scott Morrison and Lieutenant-General Angus Campbell appear before the Senate committee on Friday. Photo: Andrew Meares
While Mr Morrison avoided the question, Labor Senator Kim Carr asked: ''Have you read the documents? Have you read the documents?''
Mr Morrison would only reply that he was ''aware'' of the documents.
Senator Carr then accused Mr Morrison of not having read the material he was keeping secret from the Australian public.
dn-morrison-wide2-20140131141717340275-6Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young quizzes Scott Morrison. Photo: Andrew Meares
Mr Morrison replied that it was a serious allegation but he declined to deny it.
The Immigration Minister has also refused to say how many asylum seeker boats have entered Australian waters in the past month.
Mr Morrison said his policy of stopping the boats was working - and used a figure of "zero arrivals since December 19" to prove his claim. But Mr Morrison stuck to a tight definition of "arrivals" in a Senate inquiry into Operation Sovereign Borders.
An arrival, Mr Morrison said, constituted an asylum seeker being "transferred into immigration authorities".
But asked how many boats had entered Australian waters during the same period of "zero arrivals", Mr Morrison refused to respond. To do so would be against the public interest, he said.
Mr Morrison also said he cannot reveal what the navy is doing to stop asylum seeker boats on the high seas because it could compromise Australia's international relationships.
Mr Morrison was appearing voluntarily at the Senate hearing, he said, because he wanted to support his colleagues in his border protection policy. Lieutenant-General Angus Campbell, Defence Chief David Hurley and Customs CEO Michael Pezzullo all attended.
The Greens-Labor dominated Senate committee had taken issue with Mr Morrison's refusal to comply with Senate demands that he release documents revealing "on water" operations.
Mr Morrison has claimed immunity from releasing documents to the Senate. He has done so on "public interest" grounds, but the Senate committee argued the policy of secrecy was not in the national interest.
The Senate committee was designed to determine whether Mr Morrison was within his rights to claim "public interest" as a reason for not releasing information.
Telling the Australian public what was happening on the high seas would "put people at risk who are involved in our operations," Mr Morrison said.
Revealing such information could cause "unnecessary damage to Australia's national security... and international relations," Mr Morrison said.
Secrecy, the minister argued, was a crucial part of the strategy to stop the boats. And the policy was working - which should justify the "discretion", Mr Morrison added.
No asylum seekers have reached Australia by boat since December 19, he said.
Not since six years ago, before the Howard government's Pacific Solution was abolished by Kevin Rudd, had no boats arrived for such a stretch.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-faces-hostile-senate-committee-to-defend-operation-sovereign-borders-20140131-31rl0.html#ixzz2rxeD0JZQ
 
 
 
 
Basically Morrison is withholding documents on how the Abbott Government is deal with Asylum seekers. He is using the same b.s tactics the Americans used and still use to this day to keep their citizens uninformed, they are just protecting us.
 
We have had zero arrivals but when asked how many boats have entered Australian waters and no answer.
 
Australians will fall for this tactic. The old, if they don't see it, it isn't there tactic.
 
The fact they are acting so secretive just makes me wonder at how many Human Rights violations they are guilty of already.

Shameful

Even more shameful that what was shameful is now typical.

what is the penalty for assisting someone seeking asylum into the country?

what is the penalty for assisting someone seeking asylum into the country?


Pnothing if you go the right way about it.

You get $$$ if you are Indonesian going the "right way" about it.

ok, now my next question is the government legally able to withhold information with regards to something that is public funded?

They can and do whatever the fark they like until the tide of public opinion turns against them.

 

Which is not likely to happen anytime soon, as long as they keep Rupert and the ratbag Snydey radio stations happy.  Their only other chance of being reigned in is via the High Court, but that was stacked under the Howard govt and has ony got worse with the retirement of Justice Kirby.

I find the most enthusiastic supporters of Australia's asylum seeking policies are first and second generation immigrants, especially my Italian relatives that arrived by boat.

I have ten pound Pommie Grandparents. They were dead against boat people and could not see the irony

I have ten pound Pommie Grandparents. They were dead against boat people and could not see the irony

Are they against more English immigration?  That would be ironic.  Opposing people who employ people smugglers to force their way onto a country really has no relevence to legal immigration from any country in any era.

I’ve got family friends that deal a lot with the boat people. Reckon half of them have iPhones, $100 jeans etc

I have ten pound Pommie Grandparents. They were dead against boat people and could not see the irony

Are they against more English immigration?  That would be ironic.  Opposing people who employ people smugglers to force their way onto a country really has no relevence to legal immigration from any country in any era.
pretty sure its legal to seek asylum.

I've got family friends that deal a lot with the boat people. Reckon half of them have iPhones, $100 jeans etc

what has wealth got to do with seeking asylum?

The Iranians I see have bugger-all.

 

 

I have ten pound Pommie Grandparents. They were dead against boat people and could not see the irony

Are they against more English immigration?  That would be ironic.  Opposing people who employ people smugglers to force their way onto a country really has no relevence to legal immigration from any country in any era.
pretty sure its legal to seek asylum.

 

Know for certain that engaging people smugglers is illegal.

 

 

 

I have ten pound Pommie Grandparents. They were dead against boat people and could not see the irony

Are they against more English immigration?  That would be ironic.  Opposing people who employ people smugglers to force their way onto a country really has no relevence to legal immigration from any country in any era.
pretty sure its legal to seek asylum.

 

Know for certain that engaging people smugglers is illegal.

 

As is refusing a person the right to apply for asylum.

I have ten pound Pommie Grandparents. They were dead against boat people and could not see the irony

Are they against more English immigration?  That would be ironic.  Opposing people who employ people smugglers to force their way onto a country really has no relevence to legal immigration from any country in any era.
pretty sure its legal to seek asylum.
Know for certain that engaging people smugglers is illegal.

Is it really?
All the (and i just double checked) legislation reads against the act of people smuggling and not engaging them. May be wrong though.

 

 

 

 

I have ten pound Pommie Grandparents. They were dead against boat people and could not see the irony

Are they against more English immigration?  That would be ironic.  Opposing people who employ people smugglers to force their way onto a country really has no relevence to legal immigration from any country in any era.
pretty sure its legal to seek asylum.

 

Know for certain that engaging people smugglers is illegal.

 

As is refusing a person the right to apply for asylum.

 

 

But it is not illegal to deny that application.

 

I have ten pound Pommie Grandparents. They were dead against boat people and could not see the irony

Are they against more English immigration?  That would be ironic.  Opposing people who employ people smugglers to force their way onto a country really has no relevence to legal immigration from any country in any era.

 

So hang on, are you against economic immigrants? Or asylum seekers.