Terrorist attack, Christchurch NZ

[IceTemple]

Nothing you post tells me that you place woman as inferior, have a master/ servant attitude, follow the work ethic that others are those who toil for thee and are born to judge the life of others. I would even go so far to proclaim some of your views progressive.

My mother would have belted my backside if I even thought a woman was inferior, but no I don’t anyway. Find it strange when men do to be honest. I get the whole head of the household bit as taught in the Bible, but i am not sure most men do, they twist it to mean they’re the boss, not what it means at all. In fact Paul tells us we are to mirror how Jesus saw his bride (the Church), he gave his life for her. Most men would very much struggle with that concept, sacrifice.

I am conservative in personal views, where I am progressive it is more along the lines of not imposing my personal views on others. So, as an example, same sex marriage. Regardless of any personal views, it is not my place to stand in the way of others living their lives. I want them to be happy and to love and to have all the benefits in life that I have. Who am I to rob them of those things?

I have also always been rather perplexed by the whole “Christians means Liberal Party” thing. Growing up I was told to vote how i see fit and it was never talked about. I was aware though that my parents always voted Liberal because that is what Christians do.

But reading the Bible and then looking at Liberal policies made it very clear to me that something there does not add up, in the slightest. Oh sure, Libs generally meant anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage and other assorted things that Christians have traditionally supported but the rest of what the Libs stand for is hardly what I would call Christian in viewpoint. Why the hell would I just vote for them simply because i am Christian.

So my first ever vote was for Bob Hawke. He was awesome, but thoroughly un-Chrisitan but I agreed with him far more than I didn’t. Fraser was an ars@-h@le.

[dingus]

Yeah. Without religion nothing bad would happen and people would just be great.

The whole fairytale/tooth fairy thing sounds really clever and dismissive but as a genuine comparison it just doesn’t stack up.

It stacks up perfectly.

Suggesting that without religion people would have no guide for behaviour is like suggesting that without the tooth fairy people would refuse to lose teeth.

You may think lowly of enough of yourself (and others) to assume we’d all revert to barbarism without this “god” fellow, but I have a higher opinion of myself (and others) than that.

I Don’t believe in any kind of god and I despise religion in all forms. Yet strangely, I’ve managed to not kill, rape or steal at any point in my life.

[Diggers]

And further to the above, one could argue that those who don’t believe in an ‘almighty’ and don’t steal, rape and/or kill, do so not through fear of a vengeful god or to curry favour with a benevolent god but rather because our motivations are more sincere.

In other words, I do the right thing because I want to, not because I’m sh*t scared.

[davethedon]

But diggers how could we know not to eat crustaceans or work on the Sabbath?

[Alan_Noonan_10]

I always enjoy that one…just because pork and seafood were unsafe in the desert and Middle East 3,000 years ago…damn good reason not to eat them now.

In the years between the French Revolution Reign of Terror and Napoleon’s ascension to power, the government redefined time, having a 360-day year, plus 5/6 extra days. Each month was 30 days, made up of 3 10-day weeks. Needless to say, the workers cracked the sads about getting one day off in 10, rather than one in 7.

[Diggers]

Not sure about crustaceans but pretty sure unions got us the weekend off.

[hambo]

Pretty poor form from Erdogan:

Anzac travel under review as Scott Morrison slams 'insult' by Turkish...

Anzac travel under review as Scott Morrison slams ‘insult’ by Turkish President Recep Erdogan

By Max Koslowski

March 20, 2019 — 11.33am

National security agencies are reviewing whether it is safe for Australians to travel to Gallipoli for Anzac Day services, as Prime Minister Scott Morrison considers expelling the Turkey’s ambassador over “highly offensive and highly reckless” comments by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Mr Morrison met with the ambassador at Parliament House on Wednesday morning, where he asked for Mr Erdogan to withdraw his overnight remarks.

Mr Morrison was wary of heightening tensions just one month out from Anzac Day, but told reporters that Turkey’s official safe travel status was under review just weeks before hundreds of Australians are set to flock to the country for memorial ceremonies.

"They insult the memory of our Anzacs," Mr Morrison said. "It was highly offensive to Australians and highly reckless."

Mr Erdogan, who is under two weeks away from a federal election, made the comments at an election rally in northern Turkey.

"You heinously killed 50 of our siblings. You will pay for this," Mr Erdogan said at the rally, in which he also aired segments of a livestream shared to Facebook by the Christchurch gunman.

Mr Erdogan also called on New Zealand to hand the Christchurch shooter the death penalty, and said that any anti-Muslim attacks in his own country would result in the offenders going home "in caskets".

"Your grandparents came here… and they returned in caskets," Mr Erdogan said, referencing the thousands of Australian and New Zealand soldiers who died during the Gallipoli Campaign in Turkey during World War I.

"Have no doubt we will send you back like your grandfathers."

Mr Morrison said he did not accept that the President’s comments reflect the feeling of the people of Turkey and “all options were on the table” in terms of Australia’s response.

Mr Morrison met with the Turkish ambassador Korhan Karakoc at Parliament House on Wednesday morning.

"I do not accept the excuses that have been offered for those comments," he said.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said Mr Erdogan’s remarks were “foolish and offensive”.

"Intemperate and regrettable remarks like this only play into the hands of those who seek to divide. They do not protect the peace and security of any nation," he said.

Mr Erdogan is touring the country ahead of Turkey’s March 31 election.

Mr Erdogan has been president of Turkey since 2014, and was prime minister for the 11 years prior.

[Diggers]

He’s in election mode. Politicians say dumb things all the time but particularly during elections. Morrison and Shorten are almost in election mode so some chest beating in return is to be expected.

[dingus]

Morrison is a specialist at this exact kind of dog-whistling.

Yes, Erdogan is a ■■■■, but Morrison is a massive hypocrite. And ■■■■.

[bigallan]

If Erdogan is suggesting that Turkey is an Islamic State, it goes against Turkey’s Constitution.
Attaturk would be rolling in his grave.

[theDJR]

That’s what he does. And it’s “working”.

[Humble_Minion]

Erdogan has been trying to undermine Ataturk’s separation of religion and state for his entire time in power, this is no surprise.

[dingus]

Re Attaturk, this was my first thought as well.

If ever there was a gracious victor…

[saladin]

Indeed.

You couldn’t find a bigger contrast in statesmanship between he and the current.

And let’s not even mention how many Muslims Erdogan is responsible for the deaths of.

Just more chest beating from everyone.

[dingus]

Agree entirely. Contrast this ■■■■■■■’s “we sent your grandfathers home in caskets” tripe to Attaturk’s words enshrined at the War Memorial:

“Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives … You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side in this country of ours. You, the mothers, who sent their sons from faraway countries, wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land, they have become our sons as well”.

I’m also fond of this one:

“I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea. He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a trap.”

[Mackster]

We spoke to alot of younger Turks when we were there and they were opposed to this man ruling the country. Hope he gets the ■■■■ because I regard Turkey as the best place I’ve ever visited because of its people and they they deserve better.

I also see that police apprehended the f#ckwit in Chch in 21 mins from the first 111 call and it was 36 mins wen they had him at the precinct.

[IceTemple]

I always enjoy that one…just because pork and seafood were unsafe in the desert and Middle East 3,000 years ago…damn good reason not to eat them now.

The New Testament makes it quite clear in a few places that you can eat whatever you want to eat, the old rules don’t apply in the same way. RCC is a hodge-podge of crap that just allowed the priests to control people and barely resembles what the NT teaches.

On the protestant side, there is way, way too much legalism. “Don’t eat this, don’t do that”, not what it was meant to be like at all.

[benfti]

[dingus]

Fkn brilliant.

[Alan_Noonan_10]

I always enjoy that one…just because pork and seafood were unsafe in the desert and Middle East 3,000 years ago…damn good reason not to eat them now.

The New Testament makes it quite clear in a few places that you can eat whatever you want to eat, the old rules don’t apply in the same way. RCC is a hodge-podge of crap that just allowed the priests to control people and barely resembles what the NT teaches.

On the protestant side, there is way, way too much legalism. “Don’t eat this, don’t do that”, not what it was meant to be like at all.

WTAF has this to do with Catholics? The stupidest thing the Catholics ever did was papal infallibility, which only came in a few hundred years ago. It means they can never admit they were wrong on things like contraception.

The only thing we had to give up was meat on Fridays, later Fridays in Lent. And that surely was to appease fishermen seeing so many apostles were fishermen. Probably coining dough.

I was thinking of those rabbis who sat around the Sea of Galilee a thousand years ago, dreaming up all the rules of the Talmud.